Hey, everybody.
Hello.
It's too early on the podcast to make the joke that I'm not here.
Right.
Or that I'm David.
Only two seconds in.
Two episodes in.
Not two seconds.
I've had a rough day.
There was a Taco Bell incident.
We're not going to go into that.
We're not going to go into that until there's resolution.
It was traumatic.
That's not what you're thinking.
That's gross.
That is gross, actually.
Welcome to everything.
I thought about it.
Welcome to Everything's an Argument, everybody.
I'm David.
I'm Galila.
The other guy.
We are a weekly show.
We're trying to figure out what day we want to...
I think you said the question mark.
Well, we got a lot going on.
We're going to try real hard to get an episode out every week,
but it might not be on the same day every week.
Yeah.
That's just how it is.
This is just a fun show.
It's not our job.
Not our job.
This week, we are going to be discussing do-it-yourself.
Yeah.
It's funny.
The concept of repairs.
Yes.
I'm going to go into right to repair.
We're talking about that a little bit and how I'm passionate about it.
Yeah.
Me too, me too.
We're just going to be talking about some of the DIY stuff we like
and then kind of our philosophy about it
and our argument for doing it yourself.
On this show, we talk about stuff.
We try to.
There you go.
That's what it is.
It's an audio podcast.
It's kind of like, that's the thing.
Yeah.
I'm also going to be talking about my little DIY project
I've got going on right now with our podcast,
production software.
If that's something you'd be interested, stick around.
Stay with us.
We've got some good stuff coming up.
Yeah, we're going to be talking about.
This show is already getting quite a few downloads
and getting some support from some folks.
It's fantastic.
We're just going to get started.
We are definitely a do-it-yourself family.
We are not.
We're not poor folks.
We're doing okay.
But there's just something about doing things yourself
and just having the curiosity
and the wanting to learn how to do things
has always been instilled in me.
I did grow up very poor.
We didn't have a lot of money growing up at all.
I'm not going to go into all that,
but when we got something, we had to take care of it.
And when we didn't take care of it, if it broke,
we had to fix it.
And back then, Leila, you're spoiled.
Yeah.
I'm very fortunate.
The internet now, you can look up how to fix anything.
Yeah.
We had to either A.
It's not on Wikipedia.
It's not a reliable source, apparently.
Right.
I agree.
We'll go into that on who do you trust.
Oh, my gosh.
But yeah, we had to fix it.
Like our bikes, there was no bike repair shop
out where we were.
We were miles from anybody.
Our house was out way out in the desert.
And if we wanted to fix our bike, we had to just fix it.
We would have to go find parts anywhere we could find them.
Luckily, we knew a guy who had a bunch of old bikes
and we could acquire parts from those.
And still, we had to do it ourselves.
We had to make our own sled when it would snow.
Didn't have one to buy.
We just tore some sheet metal off of the shed
and got some 2x4s and hooked it up to the back of the car.
It was awesome.
But we just kind of grew up with a do-it-yourself mentality
kind of out of necessity.
And I really like that you have got it
even though you don't have that necessity.
Yeah.
So what are some things that you've done,
DIY that you've like completely taught yourself?
Uh...
You didn't take classes or anything for it.
I've learned how to sew, crochet.
I'm trying to learn to knit.
Oh my gosh, I can't get that down.
It's terrible. I hate it.
I'd be fine with it if I didn't crochet first probably
because it's like a tension thing.
It's a whole thing.
I learned how to...
just overall how a bunch of supplies worked
so I could figure out how to use them, you know?
Yeah.
And I mean, I've also seen you sit down with a piece of software
and I've seen you try and teach yourself some things
and I jump in and I'm like, just do it like this.
I'm like, oh, it's so much easier than how I was going to do it.
Just, you know, going around the long ways
is what you were doing.
But you don't have the hesitation
that a lot of people have of trying to learn something new
instead of just saying, oh, I don't know how to do that
or I need to find somebody to do this for me.
Yeah, I think it's fantastic.
And I don't know if we like...
I don't specifically remember raising you like this
but you've got that drive to want to try and do things yourself.
Yeah, it's about drive.
It's kind of... it's about the power.
I don't stay hungry.
I devour.
Oh, being chilling.
Is that the same guy? No.
That's John Cena. You can't see him.
You definitely see the rock.
Oh, my gosh.
Okay, wait.
You know, the rock takes three showers a day.
Well, he works out two or three times a day, doesn't he?
Yeah, the rock.
Okay, continue.
Yeah, he goes to the gym a lot.
Like, I was watching him talk about it
and he's like, even if I don't have a gym,
like I've got a portable gym with me at all time.
And I mean, when you're that rich,
you can have a guy that brings all your equipment with you
or, you know, make sure there's equipment
or a workout area for you anywhere you go.
That's what I need.
I need a personal assistant.
If anybody out there listening wants to be my personal assistant,
it's a 24 hours a day, seven days a week,
365 days a year job, and you will not be paid.
But if you want to be a personal assistant,
I am going to be calling out for some help later on in the episode.
He takes a cold shower when he wakes up,
warm shower after his workout before work,
and then a hot shower when he gets home.
Yeah, that makes sense.
To actually wash off.
The cold shower really does a lot for you.
Yeah.
It's tough.
You have to mentally, like, make yourself do it.
But when you do, whenever I take a cold shower,
I get out of it.
I'm just like, I just want to punch something.
It's awesome.
You want to break stuff?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
And he puts a singing off key in the shower
as one of the details.
He's just like us guys.
He's just like us.
Guys celebrities are just like us.
Just like us making...
Just normal people like us.
$20 million for being in a movie.
Yeah, yeah.
But that's not the point.
He sings off key in the shower.
So he's just like me.
Where'd you get so cynical?
What do you mean?
Oh, I had to reposition my chair.
It's not in a good spot.
I could tell.
So what about you?
Okay.
There are some things that you affect.
Okay.
So my DIY attitude goes deep.
Okay.
I want to talk about how you do a lot of solid stuff
and I do a lot of floppy stuff.
Yeah.
So I don't like fabric.
I love it.
I don't like anything that like moves when you don't.
I like a grid.
Give me a grid.
I like physics.
I like the way this stuff moves.
Like cloth physics.
Yes, I do.
I want to work with things.
Which makes us perfect to work together.
Right.
We need like a piece of armor made for a piece of her cosplay
or something solid like that fork that you had on that one costume.
Yeah.
And I was like, dad, how do I do this?
And he was like, oh, simple, easy peasy.
And I was like, I didn't think of that.
Solid work since she does textiles.
I was like, I was just going to make it out of fabric.
I was going to do some foam and some fabric.
But I like, like with fabric, like you'll be doing something with it.
And then like a little did you know it folds.
It folds and then you can't do anything with it because it folded
and now you've got a stitch where it folded and everything.
You've got to look into the weave of it, the grain.
Cross grain.
It's super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Right.
To me at least.
Right.
I hate it.
If I'm sewing, I've got to be sewing by hand.
I can't use a machine.
I don't trust it because like in order to use a machine,
everything has to be like, you have to like keep everything.
That's awesome.
Anyway, I love it.
Hand stitch ways ago.
Yeah.
I like the solid things.
I like woodworking, 3D printing.
I'm trying to learn CAD right now.
There's a couple of different programs.
I keep getting recommended.
Oh, don't use that one.
Use this one.
Don't use.
I'm just going to have to pick one and go with it.
I think free CAD is going to be the one because I think it'll do
everything I want you to show me.
It looks really cool.
Right.
And there's, there's probably more powerful ones.
There's probably.
I don't know, but free CAD seems to be kind of the way to go.
It's a little more complicated than the really, really simple one online.
So I can be a little more precise with things.
But for 3D printing, it's really neat to have a CAD program.
I got into, like I said, the DIY stuff being a kid and having to, but now that I
don't have to, I like want to, I find it very, it's almost like a, like doing a
puzzle for me to take open a piece of electronics and resolder a bad capacitor
or something like that.
Yeah.
And this is,
I'll walk in on him in like the living room and he has like a whole table full of electronics
and like, what'd you do?
And he's like, Oh, so this whole thing is a computer.
And I'm like, what?
Like, what are you doing right now?
It's, it's a Tuesday afternoon.
I was, uh, I bought a Nintendo switch at a thrift store for $40.
And they were like, yeah, it's broke.
We don't know what's wrong with it.
We haven't, uh, we haven't done tests on it yet.
And I was like, I'll give you 40 bucks for it.
He's like sold.
So I took it home.
Actually, I charged it up and it would seem to work.
It seemed to work just fine.
No issues.
It turns out the problem was the SD card reader was messed up and it wasn't the actual reader
itself.
It was the kind of joy cons.
It was just the, oh yeah, it was just the screen, but that's what I wanted.
I wanted to, we've got joy cons.
We've got a controllers.
So I just wanted one that I could plug into the computer and sit at my computer desk and
play full screen.
You know, um, I didn't want to spend more than 50 bucks for it.
That was the, that was the key.
Can you like fix it in the hotel room?
Yes.
I got the battery working again.
Um, I took it completely apart in the hotel room because we were out of town.
Yeah.
When we bought it, we happened to come across it at a, uh, what's it called a McKay?
McKay is a really cool place.
If you've got one anywhere near where you live.
I wonder if there's just like a local thing here.
Um, I think they've got, I think they've got a cup.
They've got one in towards Raleigh, one out towards Winston Salem, but the SD card, the
port that the SD card reader connects to the one on the motherboard was messed up.
So I ordered this tiny, tiny little part.
Um, and it should be on the, on the screen right now.
If you're listening in a podcast in 2.0 app, uh, we'll have it in the chapter files.
And then, um, that's the part I replaced and it was working until I, until I broke it
again.
Like if I hadn't, I connected it and I put it all in there.
I got the soldering done, the micro soldering with the, uh, heat gun.
And I got the SD card plugged in.
It read the SD card.
Everything was working perfect.
But then when I went to adjust the SD card reader, which is on a ribbon cable and I went
to like put it back into place, I pushed it a little too hard to get it and it broke it
again.
If I had just left it where it was and closed it up, it would have been just fine, but I
only had two of that connector and I, I melted the first one because I had the soldering
going on too hot.
And then, and then the second one I fixed, I got it in there and then, uh, but yeah,
micro soldering taught myself to do it watching YouTube videos.
And, um, I could have, I could have went to the guy in the mall, the fix it guy who fixes
phones and tablets and game consoles, but that would have cost more money.
I might as well just buy a new switch, you know?
Oh, I learned like music stuff on my own.
Yeah.
That's a, that's kind of a do yourself.
And I feel like anything that you teach yourself, you can call it DIY.
It's like I'm a DIY saxophone guy, but a lot of the DIY stuff that I like to do is computer
based.
Yeah.
Like anytime I see somebody doing something and I'm like, Oh, I wonder if I can, I wonder
if I could do that.
So I started a podcast.
The very first podcast was me this pod and there were other people doing audio dramas
and I was like, I wonder if I could do that.
So I taught myself all about podcasts and recording and editing and, um, sound effect.
You know, the whole deal.
I was like, I want to do it myself.
So I did.
And then once I started getting more into the podcasting space and started becoming part
of the no agenda community and they're very DIY, a lot of people and very sovereign.
They want to have their own servers and their own, you know, stuff like that.
And I see the, I see the benefit more and more, um, AI.
We run our AI models local and it's fantastic.
I'm not giving a bunch of data to somebody else.
We have our own masted on server.
We could have made our accounts on a different masted on server, but I was like, I wonder
if I can do that.
And I've actually had people, um, in different communities be like, Hey, why are you doing
that?
Why don't you just use this one?
You can just sign up for it.
And I'm like, because I wanted to see if I could make my own.
And then inevitably I mess up and have to ask somebody who knows more than me about it.
But, um, yeah, I have just all kind of always had that I want to have my own server.
I want to have my own version of an ice cast radio server and my own.
I never made an IRC channel.
I made channels, but I've never made an IRC server because that, that looks, that looks
tough.
Um, yeah, I don't know.
I've always just liked to do things myself.
And I get a lot of help from a few people on YouTube and I'm going to shout them out
right now.
You know what?
I'm going to give them, I'm going to give them our little, little audience boost here.
We're going to get so many subscribers.
They're going to get so many subscribers from this.
I like Jeff Geerling.
He's the bright Raspberry Pi guy on YouTube.
He's like the Raspberry Pi guy.
Uh, I like network Chuck.
He's taught me so much about network security, um, running self-hosted things.
They call it home lab when you're talking about a whole bunch of, uh, services you run on
your home network and stuff like that.
I don't know.
I don't like that term, but that's what the term is.
But yeah, network Chuck's real good.
Like, uh, Jim's garage and it's just rent, just regular guy names.
Chuck Jeff.
Right.
Guy names.
Yeah.
Chuck Jeff and Jim.
Um, but one of my favorite DIY channels on YouTube is DIY perks.
Now DIY perks is a little less like, Oh, I could just go out in my garage and do that
because he uses like all these fancy materials and he has like, but it all is very DIY.
Um, there's all these are linked in the show notes.
I've got, um, a link to the DIY microphone that I'm going to make that DIY perks did.
It's going to be really cool.
I'm going to have my own homemade microphone and we're going to one day eventually record
on it and it's going to be so cool.
Most of the DIY channels I have are cosplayers.
I was looking at mine.
So do you feel like there's a, a way to make money with DIY or then it just becomes a business
and then you're not doing it yourself.
You're doing it.
How are you doing it for capitalism?
Consumerism.
Make things so people will buy it.
Yeah.
And that's kind of what I think about this topic.
Um, like people need to learn when something breaks, if there's a way to fix it, then fix
it.
You don't need to buy a new thing every single time the other thing breaks.
Like I saw a video the other day that kind of sparked my interest for this topic about,
um, a girl's, her Doc Martens had like started or like some vintage shoes that she got from
an antique store started like healing off at the top, like separating from the soul.
And she was like, my shoes started splitting.
So I, I kind of realized that like no one really does anything themselves anymore.
No one really repairs things anymore.
And I'm like, yeah, you're right.
No one, like I've never really heard of anyone fixing something, like my close friends fixing
something and not just buying another pair or buying another, whatever the thing is.
Well, there's become like a, A, there's like almost a stigma around it's like, oh, we
can't afford to just buy a new one.
Yeah.
And there's also the cost of things has gotten so low comparatively, um, TVs, for example.
Right.
You used to buy a TV and it was, if you go back and look at how much a 32 inch TV costs
when I was a teenager, I mean, you're talking a thousand bucks and that was an old tube TV.
Right.
Yeah.
And when one broke, you'd call the TV repair guy.
I used to know a guy who was a TV repair guy.
And like you'd go in, they'd resold or whatever part was messed up and fix it for you for,
you know, a fee.
But now a 50 inch TV is 200 bucks.
You can go get a 50 inch, not a good brand, but a TV.
Yeah.
Um, I mean, we just, uh, I've got, I just got two TVs.
I just gave away.
They're both 32 inch TVs because we just ended up with extra TVs.
We won one at a raffle and you know, you can get a 32 inch for a hundred bucks.
So you're like, why am I going to spend a the time to learn how to repair this and be,
or be the money when I can just go get a brand new one for a hundred bucks.
Yeah.
Whereas I feel like the, the repairing it, the learning how to repair it has a value in
itself.
Absolutely.
I was going to say something about that too.
It's like, you get the skill set.
It's amazing.
The problem is like, let's say the RTV went out, right?
Mm hmm.
The board and that TV, before I got this new soldering station, there's no way I could
have repaired it because it's all a bunch of integrated circuits.
It's all a bunch of really super small parts that you can't just solder with a regular
soldering iron.
You've got to have a whole rework station.
So let's say I had to buy the new main board.
The main board for that TV is $65.
And I got to wait two weeks for it to get shipped from China, three weeks for it to get shipped
from China.
And then I also have to get in there and do all the work to repair it by then.
Oh, like I said, a hundred bucks, you know?
Mm hmm.
So for most people, yeah, I'm just, I'm just going to buy a new one.
If you have a phone, you're going to take it to a guy.
He's going to, you know, dig around in it and charge you 400 bucks to fix it.
Or if you've got the insurance, whatever your introduction was.
Yeah.
And by the time that done, like you could take it to Verizon and be like, hey, man, it is
a time for an upgrade.
And they'll be like, yeah, we'll get you an upgrade.
No problem.
Here's a new one.
So you chuck it.
And that bothers me.
I go to the dump and I see stuff at the dump.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I bet whatever's wrong with that would take me 20 minutes to fix.
And I would have a perfectly good, you know, whatever device.
Right.
I see all this stuff out there.
I'm like, oh my gosh, people just throw this stuff away.
And then that creates just a pile of e-waste.
And we're like, oh, you know, anyway, we sell that to China.
And then China uses a bunch of very, very, very toxic chemicals to break it all down
and get the gold out of it and other precious metals.
Mm hmm.
So that causes a problem.
So that's why Right to Repair, in my opinion, is a big deal.
And what Right to Repair is, there's a lot of companies that basically say you can't
take this to somebody to work on it.
Like an Apple product, you can't just take it to a random person to work on it and get
genuine Apple parts for it.
Well, that's Apple.
Right.
Well, I'm just saying it is working for Apple.
Samsung will be next.
Yeah.
And then whoever else, whoever else.
If a company can figure out another way to drain money out of you, they're going to.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, they have to.
I mean, they're shareholders.
You have to make money for the shareholders.
That's part of the rules for having a publicly traded company.
And I'm all for capitalism, but I'm all for real capitalism and not this government where
the government makes these rules that interfere with the actual capitalism.
Because in real, like pure capitalism, you've got checks and balances because another company's
just going to come along and take your customers if you make them mad.
Taco Bell.
Don't mention.
I'm so upset about this Taco Bell situation.
I have a little funny tidbit regarding the do it yourself, like name DIY.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
So I was talking in class last year with my friend and this other classmate that I didn't
really know very well, but he intruded on a conversation between me, my friend, and
another classmate.
So we'll call classmate one, the one that intruded on the conversation and classmate
two is the one we're talking to.
So we were talking to classmate two and we brought up DUIs.
But don't ask why.
But the classmate two was like, what's a DUI?
And then classmate one intruded and was like, do it yourself, obviously.
No.
It's funny because he just said obviously afterward.
That's funny.
Because when you remember I texted you, I texted you about what episode.
Have you ever rolled his eyes?
Do we want to do this week?
Do we want to do DIY or do we want to do something else?
And you were like, it was a while before you texted back.
I had forgotten that I texted you and I got a message from you, do it yourself.
And I'm like, what?
I should have said do it yourself, obviously.
But I had forgotten that I had asked about that.
And I was like, what is she telling me to do?
I'm going to go get on her talking to me like, oh yeah, never mind.
You're like fine, I guess I will.
And I was like in kind of a bad mood at that time.
And I was like, oh.
That's why we're a little later this weekend or this week.
We've got a lot going on.
But yeah, I've always, the right to repair, they're trying to make laws in a lot of places
that give you the right to repair your own stuff.
For example, John Deere.
They make tractors and you're not allowed to fix anything on your own tractor.
You have to sign a contract if you buy one of their new tractors
that you have to take it to a John Deere dealer to get it fixed.
A John Deereler?
A John Deereler.
I'm so funny.
But there's lots of videos about that out there too.
But mostly on small electronics.
And I understand that they're making so many of these.
And let's say a big company with 15,000 employees buys everybody a new laptop.
And they get rid of the old laptops.
Half of those end up in the dump or sent to China to be melted down
and all the chemicals would be put in the air.
I'm not a huge environmentalist, but I do think we should take care of, you know,
take care of where we live.
And I'm not a fan of that.
But then like, there's only so many people that need a laptop, you know?
So like, what do you do with all that old stuff?
But then there's people like me who love repairing this stuff.
And I would love to get my hands on a lot of that old stuff,
but they just shred it.
I don't know who to call.
I don't know who to be like, hey, I'll come pick some of those up for you.
Exactly.
Because if you want, if you just want five or six old office computers,
they'll be like, no, no, no.
If you want one, you got to take them all.
Yeah.
I agree.
You got to come home with like 300 computers.
Right.
This actually happened to me recently.
A company went out of business and they were like, hey,
you want some free monitors?
We got some monitors.
And I was like, yeah, I'll take, I'll take a monitor or two.
And they're like, nope, nope, you got to take all the monitors.
So we got all the monitors.
And I'm pretty excited about it because you got one in front of you right now.
I've got one right there.
And then we gave out the rest to the family members who needed new ones.
So it worked out.
Oh, good one.
Thank you.
You did that last episode and it came,
it came through on the mic too.
It was awesome.
That's my goal.
Sneeze extra hard while I'm out here.
So do you think, because I don't know,
I'm just of two minds about it because you got to,
you got to get rid of the stuff, right?
Yeah.
But like, oh, I will say a lot of cities do have places.
I believe it's called the Camden Institute is the one up in Raleigh.
They may or may not still be around,
but they take donations of old computers and stuff.
And what they do is they use the old computers to teach kids in middle
and high school how to repair and work on old computers.
Yeah.
And it's like a charity.
Yeah.
If you've got some old computers and stuff,
you want to get rid of them and then like,
they get a huge glut of them and they will,
they will sell them to raise money for the other programs
that the Camden Institute does.
And like I said, I don't know if they're still around.
I haven't really looked into them too much.
I typically, if I'm going to do anything with a charity,
I like to look it up and check out the 990 form
and make sure everything's above board.
So I'm not like recommending the Camden Institute.
Right.
But that's what they do.
I thought that's a really neat idea.
As long as they're above board with everything,
I'm cool with it.
Yeah.
That's pretty neat.
I also want to talk about customization.
Yeah.
That's a big part of DIY.
Yeah.
Like I had some shoes recently that I took and took apart.
I know I'm talking about a lot about shoes.
The black one?
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
That's cool.
I took them apart because I was like,
I'm not going to ever going to wear these again.
These aren't my style.
I could throw them out.
But they're pretty cool.
I just don't like these certain elements up them.
You know?
So I took them apart, cleaned them off really well.
The hearts.
Yeah.
Hold on.
There's something on the wall.
Oh no.
Uh-oh.
We got some drama.
We got some.
Where is it?
It's a little caterpillar.
Oh yeah.
A caterpillar.
It's a little caterpillar.
We're good.
Okay.
Oh my gosh.
It's right here.
Oh, I can't see it.
It's at the angle.
It was up on the wall earlier.
It's on one of the sound dampening things.
I saw it moved.
So I was like, oh, it's got to be a bug.
But anyways, took some of the hardware off of them,
all of the hardware off of them, cleaned them off really well,
resold them, fixed all of the parts that were broken.
So like used glue on them to stick it all back together.
Put a new like black finish on them with paint.
And then painted details on them and grommeted them.
Because they didn't have grommets on them earlier.
They had like straps.
I took the straps off, grommeted them, so it's lace up.
And like, I still got to buy laces for them.
So she made custom shoes.
Yeah, I made custom shoes with like my style.
See that's my current style in mind.
How many of the people at your school would,
and your generation would do that?
Honestly, I don't think this is a generational thing.
Like who?
This is just a societal thing.
Yeah.
Because now I'm talking about taking clothes
and making them your own, like punk rock.
Oh my gosh.
Here we go.
You knew I was going to talk about it.
She wanted to talk about like hot topic.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
So hot topic, right?
If you haven't heard of hot topic, first of how,
second off, they're the store, right?
Okay.
I agree.
I know that you were off mic.
I just wanted to say, right?
I know, but they're a store, they sell alternative clothing.
So this kind of encompasses like most alternative styles,
just all the ones he would think about.
And I went into their store like the other day,
a couple of months ago, not the other day.
I mean, technically it was the other day
because it wasn't today.
It was one of the days ago.
And I looked at all their clothing
and I was like, I used to love this place.
This place was like the place where I bought stuff.
And I looked around and I was like,
I can make half this stuff from stuff that I already have.
Uh-huh.
Like.
And then you look at the price.
And I look at the price.
$70.
No.
$70 for a t-shirt.
That's called getting tricked by business.
$50 for a t-shirt.
What is it?
Oh, first store, first shop.
$50 for a t-shirt.
Yeah.
Now, when it comes to clothes,
like if you want to start making me clothes, great.
But I buy pretty cheap clothes anyway.
I'm not done.
Like, oh, sorry.
You're good.
Whoa.
It's an argument.
Um, so, but I look around like jewelry.
It's super easy to make.
I look at it.
I'm like, that's a French or bracelet.
I can make that with the beads I have underneath my bed.
Uh, clothing.
It's just customized regular clothing.
Like they had some pants in there,
some jeans that had like another like color of denim on them
in like a star pattern.
Right.
And I'm like, I, I, what?
And it was like $70.
I was like, that's too much money.
And it's just regular jeans with some other regular jeans.
Get a sewing machine.
Well, a lot of people don't want to invest the time
into learning how to do it either.
True.
So you kind of pick what you want to DIY.
Like I'm not going to sit and learn how to sew.
I took some of your old pants, cut them up and use some of my
regular, my normal pants and customize them to wear their
bell bottoms.
I thought that was really neat.
I wore this today.
Oh, did you?
Yeah, I did.
They're really long though.
Good grief.
I get, I get people not wanting to make their own.
Some of them don't want to invest the time.
Some of them don't have the vision.
Like when you started working on those boots, did you kind of
have how you want them to look in your head?
Yeah, kind of.
They, a lot of people don't have that.
They just can't visualize things.
So like build making something without being able to visualize
it.
One of my problems is I think of things in small pieces.
Like I was building this code for the, for the, the podcast
production maker thing.
I released a video on how it works and I've actually added
features since I released it, but I started out with, I just
wanted to make the show notes and the RSS feed.
Right.
That's how it all started.
Yeah.
But then I was like, well, shoot.
I wonder if I can make, I wonder if I can make the chapter
art and the cover art programmatically.
So I found some, some ways to do that.
And I added that in and then it wasn't working with the stuff
with the show notes.
So then I had to go in and change some stuff and it ended up
being a mess.
So like if you took a cork board and you took all the pieces
of, of what I've built and you did the like the, the, what's it
called?
Yarn, the red yarn and connected.
It would just be a spider web.
Yeah.
And it's a mess.
And I, I'm embarrassed to release the code because people are
like, how'd you do that?
How'd you do that?
You know, put it on GitHub and like, I'm embarrassed because
most of it is written by AI and it's just a mess.
So.
Yeah.
But I, I've, I lost, I lost.
Oh, I, if, if I had a thought of everything that I needed to do,
I have it all done.
I may go back and start from scratch knowing all of the pieces
I need in advance and how they all work together.
I may go back and redo it from scratch.
So it'll be much cleaner code, easier to read, more customizable
and make it to where other people can use it easily.
Because right now there's so much custom stuff for our show,
for this show in the code that if somebody else used it, they
would have to pretty much rewrite half the code to work with
their podcast.
So I may go back having the plan written out completely starting
over.
Cause like with you are doing those shoes.
Yeah.
I feel like a lot of DIY projects, if you don't have the, the
ability to plan ahead, you have to be really, really good at
improvising.
Yeah.
So did you, with your shoes, did you improvise those or did you
have a, have a full like in your head, what you want it to look
like in the end before you started?
I kind of improvised.
You just kind of improvised?
Yeah.
I took the hardware off of them and was just like, what am I
going to do with this?
So I took all of the broken parts off, made it to regular shoe
and then figured out what I would do with it from there.
You know what I'm saying?
You want to be cool?
I was telling you.
I made sure I had enough grommets for it.
Good grief.
I almost didn't have them.
That's funny.
She's there counting them.
One of the things I was telling Lila about the nineties,
because the nineties was when I was a teenager, you know, and I was
like, the nineties was crazy entertainment wise because it was
all over the place.
It was very like, you look at some of the movies that came out
that actually made a lot of money and you're like, there was
just some dude sitting around and they'd be like, huh, you know,
it'd be cool.
And then they made it into a movie.
We have an inside joke in our household.
That's just like, huh, you know, it'd be cool.
Yeah.
Cause we'll see something on a movie.
We're like, how did this mystery men?
Yes.
We were watching mystery.
Oh, you know, it'll be funny.
And like it doesn't, if you haven't watched mystery men, go watch it.
It's a fantastic movie.
It's amazing.
That movie, I didn't appreciate how well it was, how concise it is.
In the first like five minutes, there's an attack at a nursing home and
the superheroes come and you know, it's a whole thing, right?
But in that couple of minutes, you learn more about those characters
through how they're acting towards each other.
And the things that they do in that five minutes, then you learn about
most characters in most movies now.
Yeah.
Through the entire movie.
And I was like, see that's, and they were showing you
not like an exposition dump where a character is like, oh, that's Captain
America.
He was frozen in the 1940s and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
No, they show it in the movie by how they're acting towards each other.
How they're acting towards other characters.
Exactly.
In certain situations.
Yeah.
It was just, I was like, wow, this is much better written than
I remember.
I remembered like the funny parts where Paul Rubens was the fart guy
and all that in the shoveler and Blue Raja.
But it's actually very, very concise, tight writing in that movie.
There is a huge inconsistency in that movie.
The bad guy in one of the first scenes says, I'm going to do this thing
tomorrow.
And then like next time you see him, it's like two days later and he still hasn't done
the thing.
And he's like, oh, tomorrow night.
And then like another two days later, he's like, tonight I'm going to, and then
finally that's the night he was supposed to do it.
But I was like, oh my gosh, did you just keep forgetting that he has this master plan?
Maybe they recorded it in order.
Maybe they recorded it in order and they were just like, oh crap.
You can't go back.
We're not going to reshoot that.
Yeah, it's fine.
No, no, no.
This guy costs too much to do reshoots.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
And our show, our show is very, very DIY.
We don't use any, well, we use, you know, we use some software that other people have
made, but we do, we do it all ourselves.
We go and get the, and the show notes, we do all our, you know, XML feed on that stuff.
Oh crap.
What?
I forgot to talk about more stuff with customization.
Oh, go ahead.
So another thing was the, with the hot topic.
Okay.
I don't know who to give you that.
So hot topic is a, again, an alternative brand, which kind of stems from punk, you know, the
thing that was supposed to be DIY.
Yeah.
The style that was supposed to be made.
The spirit of it.
Yes.
The spirit of punk is very do it yourself and don't like make money off of it.
Like this is your, your thing to make.
Also, people don't like put their personal spin on things anymore.
Like when I get something and I really like the thing, I will put stickers on it.
I'll like paint on it if I want to, and if it is okay with paint, you know.
Yeah.
Some stuff you don't want to paint.
Yeah.
But like my room, oh my gosh.
It's a mess.
Don't look at the floor.
I'm not talking about the mess part.
I'm talking about like there's every inch of the walls covered with something.
Be it like she got these really cool postcards.
Yeah.
The customization part is also one of the great things about DIY.
Yeah.
One of my friends said that like when you walk into my room, it's very, very cluttered,
but you don't look at that.
You just look at me, you know, and I was like, that's awesome.
Thank you.
Your personality has expanded out onto the walls of your room.
Yeah.
And like people are so afraid to customize stuff because of resale value.
Yeah.
I get that with certain, if you're planning, if your plan from the beginning is to use
it for a while and then resell it.
Yeah.
Like let's say we're going to buy a Cricut machine, one of those vinyl things so we could
make, you know, a handful of cups or some bumper stickers or shirts and then we were
going to get rid of it after we were done, right?
Yeah.
Then yeah, we're not going to put stickers on it.
We're not going to customize it.
I'm not going to drill a hole in it so I can put in a chip in it to send me a text when
it's done.
You know, I'm not going to do any of that if we're planning on selling it.
I'm keeping it forever.
Yeah.
I'm probably going to customize it.
But like, what everything leads down to is the beige.
It's the beige.
Get away with it.
No, don't.
Don't get away with it.
What?
Minimalism.
Oh.
Sorry.
I can't put my thoughts into sentences.
Oh my gosh.
It's okay.
We'll cut that out.
Yeah.
We'll edit it out in post.
So it all comes back to minimalism.
Get out of here.
I don't like it.
You can't, like, put your style into something, man.
Do stuff that makes you happy.
But what if people like being beige?
If you like being beige, then be beige.
I don't care.
I don't get the mentality of, please don't lie.
But that can't be happy for you.
Come on.
Like, okay.
You have to have interests, man.
You have to have an interest in something.
You know, sports.
Right.
Beige.
If you like beige, then have a beige collection.
Am I right?
So, she rants about minimalism all the time.
I'm sorry.
Like every day.
I have a daily rant about minimalism.
It's not your style, but I get some people.
Now, my thing about minimalism is you got to have money to be a minimalist.
Yeah.
Like.
Because if something breaks, you ain't got the tools to fix it.
You don't have any tools because that would clutter things up.
Yeah.
Clearing up.
Having extra parts laying around for things.
I've got a parts bin with random electronics boards.
All my days.
I've pulled out of stuff.
You have collections of spray paint.
Beige spray paint.
What?
Brown spray paint.
I don't understand the beige.
Did you know that all computers used to be beige?
Yeah.
All of them.
Get it out of here, man.
No RGB whatsoever.
Oh my gosh.
Beige rant.
Like some of the stuff in front of me is beige.
Well, you know.
It's not like my stuff.
No.
They're shared.
You've got the keyboard that I got from my old work.
No, I got another treasure on place.
Yeah.
You don't have some color.
So we're going to go ahead and go into our value for value segment.
Well, Leila cools down from her minimalism beige rant.
Yes, of course.
What does she call it?
What is that girl you watch on YouTube called people with beige?
Sad beige moms.
Becky.
Oh.
When you're a beige, Becky, that means you just like.
Yeah.
Jamie French.
Shout out.
Yeah.
Jamie French.
He's so silly.
Doesn't need to shout out.
Good grief.
She's a shout out to us.
Yeah.
So we, we're a value podcast.
We've just kind of been a stream of consciousness on this episode.
We are going to go more.
We're going to have a couple of deep dives on this show.
And just some hard, hard hitting journalism.
Not really.
But yeah, we're going to go, we're going to go into some interesting topics.
Yeah.
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But if you get anything out of the show, listening to us ramble, we appreciate if you would return
that value.
And that, we want you to tell folks about the show.
We're a new show.
We have not gotten quite as much traction as our old show yet.
Of course, we haven't put the trailer out on the old feed.
I need to do that tomorrow.
But if you receive value from our show, like hanging out with us, consider sending some value back.
Either tell people about us, send us some art, send us some music, just anything you want to contribute to the show.
We do have a PO box.
If you want to send us actual physical items.
Oh, we haven't checked the PO box in like two weeks.
Oh, we haven't.
It's a while there.
Yeah.
We have a PO box.
You can go to argumentpod.com and click the donations link.
And there's a bunch of ways that you can donate.
And we'd had quite a few donations, actually.
Yeah.
Since our first big episode of the show.
And we're going to shout out the people who decided to send us some value as money.
And we had a $20.
I don't have a big.
Nope.
That's not.
No.
Is that the one?
Nope.
We don't have like a triumph noise.
Stop.
Oh my gosh.
So, okay.
So, there we go.
So, click the right button.
That applause is way too long.
So, we had a $20 donation from Kevin Halleasey, Rhymes with Falleasey, through Cash App.
We do have a Cash App link on that page.
It says, welcome back, you are sorely missed.
Yeah.
We appreciate that so much.
We're glad to be back.
We're actually excited about this.
We've got some big stuff in the works for this.
And be looking for a video version of the show.
What?
We're not having our faces in it or anything.
No.
But I built a tool that takes the audio podcast and the chapters file and makes it into a
video.
An audio gram at the bottom and lots of neat stuff.
Yeah.
I don't want it to look good for the podcast.
Yeah.
I have to put makeup on, put my lashes on.
But we definitely appreciate that.
That's going to cover some of our costs here at the show.
We do have costs associated with making this show.
Not the least of us is electricity.
Oh my gosh.
Our electricity just jumped here.
Anywho, we also got some boosts.
In any case.
That's not what I'm saying.
In any case.
We got some boosts.
What boosts are is using a modern podcast app that supports boosting.
You can send us tiny little bits of Bitcoin called Satoshis.
But you don't have to be all into Bitcoin or anything.
You can just buy some right in the app and go to town there.
Yeah.
We got a boost from Drehab Scott.
We need the short version.
Just three claps.
One, two, three, four sats.
And it has the little Dracula emojis because our our helipad, the thing we deal with.
Because you know why it's one, two, three, four?
And it's the Dracula's.
Count.
He's count Dracula.
Count Dracula.
Count.
Yeah.
Count.
And this says Memorial Day, half staff fact.
Because we talked about that half staff stuff.
The flag goes back up to full staff at noon on Memorial Day.
So it's kind of like what you're talking about.
Right.
Fun fact.
We didn't know that.
Yeah.
We've never done fun facts on a show.
We've never talked about fun facts.
We should do that.
We should do a fun fact show.
Yeah.
What should we call it?
We should call it like fun fact Tuesday.
Just fun fact.
Fun fact.
Like one fun fact.
Fun fact fro yo.
Because there's three Fs.
That was.
Heck yeah.
Yeah.
That would work really well actually.
We got another one.
Ten thousand Satoshis.
Get out of here man.
Ten thousand Satoshis comes out to right around ten bucks.
What?
Right now.
Right now?
Yeah.
That's fantastic.
It's about a thousand sats per dollar right now.
So if you're talking about US dollars, but that's if you cash out.
We're waiting for it to go to the moon.
Ten thousand sats also from Dreb Scott's.
It's got a little fire emoji in there.
It's from everything's an argument.
Generation gap episode one.
Value for value.
Feels weird listening and not making chapters.
Love the new show.
Excited to see it grow.
Aw, thanks.
Thank you.
And yeah, I'm actually having fun doing the chapters with my new little tool that I've
made.
I will put a link to the video of the tool in the show notes for this episode on YouTube.
So you can go check it out if you want to.
It's really neat.
Ten thousand sats.
Can't thank you enough Dreb for everything you've done for us.
He used to make the chapters for Fun Fact Friday for us.
And yeah, we definitely appreciate that.
And then we got one three two one from Randy Black.
Yeah.
Great first episode.
Have we got a donation from Randy Black before a first time donation?
I'd have to go back and look, but I don't recall seeing that name.
If you have before.
I'm so sorry.
So sorry.
I forgot.
First great episode.
Great first episode.
First great episode.
I'm so glad.
I'm so glad to host you guys on three IPFS podcasting nodes.
Keep it up and go podcasting.
So what IPFS nodes are is our show is decentralized, our hosting.
So we don't have to actually, we pay for hosting on our web server for the initial file.
But once it goes into the IPFS, which is the interplanetary file system, our fans.
And other people who run nodes host the show for us.
And it looks like Randy not only is sending us Satoshis, like a book 30s worth of Satoshis,
which is fantastic.
And we appreciate it.
He's also hosting us on the IPFS, which is awesome.
That's helping us keep our keep our web host from getting mad at us because we're technically
not supposed to be hosting mp3 files.
So on our web.
Oh my gosh.
They'll tell them.
They're going to get so mad.
They're not because we don't hardly use any bandwidth because of the IPFS.
So that's double value we got right there.
Also I believe I'm, I'm, Dreb might also have an IPFS.
I'm not sure.
Yeah.
But we love our IPFS, IPFS folks and you actually get, uh, they get a little split for, for
hosting.
They get a 5% split.
Yeah.
So just some of those stats gone right back into your, uh, your wallet.
And then we have one more boost, 1,847.
From Kevin Hallowssey rhymes with Hallowssey.
Yep.
It's, you want to read it?
You read it.
Sure.
It's great to hear your voices again.
I missed you as well as, as well as the community.
I wanted to preserve my mysterious streak of eight or sevens, but it's not mine.
Wait, but it's not mine and I don't want to step on someone else's special meaning.
If there is one, I am willing to be somewhat of a placeholder though.
Uh, I love it.
You misread it.
What did I do?
I wanted to preserve the mysterious streak of eight, four, sevens, but it's not mine
and I don't want to.
So Kevin Hallowssey was not the originator of the eight, four, seven, right.
So we definitely appreciate that Kevin and the, the cash app, uh, um, we are blown away
by the fact that, that folks value us and are rambling, um, enough to actually send
us money and we definitely appreciate it.
We would probably shut it down if we didn't, didn't keep getting the donations, um, because
it does, it does cost a little bit.
Um, and we appreciate it and we went out and ate, we went out and got some good food when
we got that.
Oh yeah.
So, uh, we appreciate everybody who sends stuff in and you can, uh, shoot us an email
mail at argument pod.com, um, let us know what you think.
If you have any show ideas, topic ideas that you'd like to hear our opinions on, if you
need advice, we are wanting to do an advice and like, we're just going to say, take anything
we say at the grain of salt, we are not experts in anything.
Actually, no, we're experts in anything we say we're experts in because there's no metric
for whether you're an expert or not, but, um, you are all producers of the show, um,
I will eventually get around to making an IMDB entry for this and you can go put yourself
in as a producer.
I'll get around to that.
I promise I'm working on this other thing right now, but I'll get to it.
And I think, uh, did you have anything else you wanted to talk about?
No, I'm good.
Did you have any current topics?
Oh, do I?
Do you want to talk about Elon and the arm movement?
Okay.
Whoa.
I was about to say that, but I was like, is that too controversial?
And I'm like, this is a new podcast.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
This is the kids show.
Okay.
I'm just going to look up Elon Musk, see what comes up.
Okay.
Elon Musk.
Elon Musk, the emigrant.
Okay.
So we're going to get one from, let's see if you can find one on CNN, but you'd see
if we can find one on Fox pulling up some CNN and Fox clips.
So the first thing I want to mention, the Fox clip on YouTube, if you look up Trump
inauguration, Elon Musk, and watch the first clip that comes up.
It was the first one for me.
It's the Fox news one.
Can we, can we give a little backgrounder in case somebody has missed what happened?
Okay.
So if you don't live in America or you just don't know what's happening.
So Trump, Donald Trump just got elected into the house, the White House, to be the president
of the United States of America, uh, Elon Musk is connected to this because he was hired
by Donald Trump to be, uh, the leader.
The Pope of Doge.
Yeah.
The Pope of, um, the department of general of government efficiency.
Yep.
Yes.
Okay.
Doge.
Department of government efficiency.
So Trump and Elon are like besties.
I can go on for days about Elon and his like lore with, uh, all that stuff, but that's
who he is.
He's a guy.
He owns Twitter slash X now he is kind of, he's kind of political.
He states his political opinions online.
He seems like he's kind of a centrist, but of course, since he's working with Donald
Trump, he's more associated with the right wing party, but okay.
Is there anything you want to say on Elon?
Oh, you just, you went way further on the backgrounder than I would.
I'm sorry.
I was just like at the, uh, inauguration party.
Here's what happened.
That's what I was going to.
So, but the inauguration is when the president goes into his position as the president.
This was how long ago was this?
It was on the 19th.
A week ago.
Yeah.
About a week ago.
So the inauguration party after all this happened, Elon was going to make a speech.
Correct.
He before his speech came up and was like, all right, hello everybody in his accent.
You know, um, this is an election that counted this.
I'm so happy to be here.
Thank you to all of you.
And then he does a specific gesture.
He puts his hand on his heart and then he puts out his arm at about a, what, what degree
would you call that?
I'd call it, um, I'd say he put it about, about this high.
Yeah.
So he does that and then he proceeds to turn around and do the same thing again.
So
But then he says, my heart goes out to you and he grabbed, so he was grabbing his heart
and like throwing it out to the audience is what, yes, it was, is what it looked like
to me.
However.
Yes.
So there has been a lot of, um, of course controversy around what he was doing at the
inauguration, of course, um, so people saw it and was like, Oh, that's not, uh, that's
not, you know, that's not, that's not cool.
Elon, what's, what's you're doing with that?
I don't think that man was doing a Nazi salute.
And I've kind of looked into it.
I watched a video and of course everything on YouTube is true.
So, um,
It's a.com.
So hold on.
Let me see if I can find this video again.
I'll put it in the notes.
The way I see it is if, okay, I figured you were going to look up stuff.
The way I see it, um, I, I don't think he would do that because he knew the political
fallback of him intentionally doing a Nazi salute at the inauguration.
And then I had a little theory and my little theory is that, uh, this man likes, likes money.
Right.
And he gets money when there is a lot of chitter chatter on his little app and what
would just cause a whole lot of people to hop onto his app would be something like, oh
my gosh, Elon Musk did, uh, uh, Hale Hitler salute at the inauguration.
Everybody would be like, oh my gosh.
And they'd go straight to X and be looking for the video and be looking for people arguing
about it and people calling them out about it.
And then of course that's exactly what happened.
Twitter blew up with it and everybody was talking about it.
Uh, attacking him.
And then of course on top of that, everybody went and found every picture of every politician
or actor who's ever had their right arm above nine above parallel with the ground, um, straight
out and said, Oh, you gotta call them a Nazi.
You gotta call it.
And then it just turned into this big huge firestorm of everybody calling everybody else
a Nazi.
Everybody on the far end of each of the parties.
Yes.
And when I say everybody, I mean like probably a hundred people, but they're loud and they
get boosted in the Algo.
So loud minority.
So, um, I can't find the video right now.
I have it in my history though.
I think the vast, vast majority of real people, if you showed them a picture or showed them
the video of this happening, the vast majority of real people in the world would be like,
probably don't care.
I gotta go to work.
Yeah.
But the person, the video that I watched, I'll, I'll put it in the show if I find it.
Um, it was basically, I can't remember the title, but it was like, what, what does this
mean and why did he do it?
And it just had the picture of him splitting the thumbnail.
I love that title.
I clicked on it, obviously.
What does this mean and why did he do it?
But this guy was talking about, um, all the different theories for it that have gone around
the internet.
And he was like, I genuinely don't believe that this was a sign of anti-Semitism or white
supremacy or any sign of fascism at all.
Because like he went back in his, in Elon Musk's Twitter and looked at all of the stuff
and he's been like consistently pro-Semitism and stuff like that.
But not, there is some outliers obviously, but there is for everything.
Uh, but he also went into other theories, like he's very awkward.
Well, he's on the spectrum.
Yeah.
And that's, that's another thing that he brought up.
He was like, he's autistic and may have like trouble expressing stuff like that, you know?
But it just brought up a whole bunch of different theories around it.
And I really enjoyed the way that the video was produced.
Well, at least I like when somebody does a deep dive and actually goes in and shows both
sides of the argument because I, the echo chambers are getting, are getting echoier.
You go to certain places and you, you're really just getting, um,
Does he mean it doesn't matter?
Did he mean it doesn't matter?
Yeah, we're going to put this in the show notes for you.
It matters.
So somebody's thumbnail game just on point.
Is that?
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
I love it so much.
All right.
We're going to, so, oh my gosh.
I got to do it like, yeah, okay.
So you want to watch this after too?
Yeah, I don't think, I think that Elon does what Elon's going to do.
But Elon also, he, I don't think that he was, uh, I personally don't think he was
making a Nazi salute.
That would just be the dumbest thing he could do unless he's just trying to get
his numbers up on his site.
Yeah, yeah.
Trying to do lead with controversy.
Was it rage bait?
Is that what they call it?
Yeah.
Which that could be a whole other episode.
We can talk about that for.
We talked about click bait on the old show.
We did.
And we could talk about it more in depth on this show because we're trying to be
all, all nice on the old show.
That's true.
So, yeah, we'll put that in the list of possible future episodes.
If you have an idea for a possible future episode, let us know and, uh, we'll put
it on the list and maybe we'll get to it one day.
Do you have any, um, I wanted to talk about that.
Yeah.
So, but I enjoyed hearing your side of the story too.
Yeah.
That's, uh, cause like I watched it, I watched it and I know people whose brains,
I mean, not brains work like Elon, cause that means brain works different.
Um, but I mean who the socially are kind of like him.
And if you kind of watch, he does it and then he turns around, he does it again.
And then when he turns back around, he almost realizes, oh crap, they can kind
of look at his face and then he says, my heart goes out to you and like grabs his
heart, it's, it's almost like he realized what he was doing.
It didn't seem like a planned attack and I really don't think I'm sure that
there are some quote unquote neo-nazis out there and I bet their numbers are
so extremely small that what, why would you do that to pand or to such a small
group if he were actually trying to signal something like it doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make any sense that he would do that.
Um, but anyway, anyway, that's, that's what we have to say about that.
That's our, that's our 10 cents.
Right.
But yeah, try, try and learn a new, a new DIY skill, even if it's something as
simple as like, like, uh, find some good art and print it out and put it in a
frame.
Yeah, if you did anything while you were listening to this podcast, we'd love
to hear about it.
Yeah.
And if you have, if you're, if you're into DIYing certain things, anything
at all, uh, let us know and we'll, uh, we'd love to see art projects.
We'd love to see good woodworking.
Um, I know, I think Billy Bones does some really good woodworking.
He's from the podcast to walk through the mind.
Uh, really like Billy Bones, good guy.
Um, he does some cool woodworking.
So it's, it's, it's, it's good to make something real in the real world or even
a program, a program or a website or something, anything you work on, make
something, go make something or fix something.
Yeah.
And I want everybody to have a fantastic week.
We'll be back next week.
We got a little bit of a road trip this weekend.
It'll be fun.
Just right down the road, not real far.
Bye.
Wait, wait, what did I do?
What?
Do we have anything else to talk about?
No.
All right.
I think we're done.
I think I was just going to say bye to everybody and we appreciate all the
support from the folks that we're getting already.
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