1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,800 hello this is everything is an argument with me Leila and my father David oh yeah this week 2 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:20,360 a show well yeah we're a show i guess that's important to tell people because they might 3 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:25,960 not know uh it is april 1st it's been about two weeks since our last episode i think uh 4 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:32,540 so we're joking we're not gonna have a show this week yeah no we're not a weekly show anymore um 5 00:00:32,540 --> 00:00:40,140 we we get an episode out when we can but we uh have have a guest this week this episode we'll 6 00:00:40,140 --> 00:00:48,360 just say that we have a guest this episode yeah and uh go ahead and say hi Kyle hi Kyle that is 7 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Kyle Hebert you may know him from our uh outro we also did an episode with him back on fun fact 8 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:03,820 friday that's that's right uh Kyle is a voice actor and uh podcaster which currently on hiatus we'll 9 00:01:03,820 --> 00:01:11,480 talk about that in a minute um Kyle as what are you up to now on internet movie database six hundred and 10 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:22,720 sixty four previous projects and your upcoming is four projects so the man's got got a cred in the 11 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:30,980 voice acting industry only a quarter of a century yeah uh and correct me if i'm wrong on any of this 12 00:01:30,980 --> 00:01:37,520 you started off on uh radio disney i sure did that was the crossover so i wanted to do two things since 13 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,600 i was a young and probably seven or eight and i learned about looney tunes and and and listening 14 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:48,640 to classic rock radio i wanted to be a dj on the radio and i wanted to do voice acting for cartoons so 15 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:56,240 mel blank mel blank i wanted to be mel blank that was me that was me when i was a kid and uh i tried to 16 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,800 imitate every single voice that he could do and you know you you win some you lose some but 17 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:11,400 yeah yeah so now eric bauza is the current uh mel blank and uh good on him because he's he's super 18 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:18,520 great at it and it's great to see the new looney tunes movie in theaters oh is that there's another 19 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:25,360 one i have not been keeping up well there's the day the uh the earth stood still you know sorry that's 20 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:34,280 the classic type of right um yeah what the this grand adventure with uh daffy and porky oh nice 21 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:43,320 i did see uh before we get into the meat of the episode i did see that um acme versus wiley coyote 22 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:48,340 or whatever the title is i can't remember exactly the title got bought by a different distribution 23 00:02:48,340 --> 00:02:55,080 company and yeah will be coming out next year which i'm very excited about um yeah and and that 24 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:01,300 happened because the day the earth blew up came out and did just good enough uh i think it's the 25 00:03:01,300 --> 00:03:08,960 first fully 2d animated one in years that's fantastic and it's all actual voice actors not stunt cast with 26 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:17,940 celebrities and no pop culture jokes that age like milk so chris pratt playing literally every character 27 00:03:17,940 --> 00:03:24,500 right yeah yeah and uh i'm gonna try and go see it like maybe thursday or something it's probably 28 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:32,420 gonna drop out of theaters then but it it it's a miracle so yeah you got a a show that was written 29 00:03:32,420 --> 00:03:38,380 off for a tax break from warner brothers and now it looks like uh catch-up entertainment which put this 30 00:03:38,380 --> 00:03:45,440 one current one out in theaters and uh they're gonna try and uh save the day with coyote versus uh acme 31 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:50,600 yeah that that the roadrunner cartoons were my favorite when i was a kid they were like absolute 32 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:58,600 favorite um i loved them so much but uh the the reason we're having Kyle on is a because he's he's a 33 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:07,440 friend we love talking to him but uh b is all this all this ai nonsense is going on and we wanted to 34 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:14,860 chat with somebody who's in the trenches that's right i'm in the front lines he is he is in the 35 00:04:14,860 --> 00:04:23,660 server room just sticking screwdrivers and servers no um but yeah ai you know we thought we thought 36 00:04:23,660 --> 00:04:28,020 the matrix and the terminator was just a sign oh god the robots will kill us no it's far worse 37 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:34,780 everybody they're gonna take our jobs and you know what always got me is like i thought that the ai and 38 00:04:34,780 --> 00:04:40,180 the robots were going to like do your laundry and mow your lawn and all that stuff so you were freed 39 00:04:40,180 --> 00:04:46,380 up to do art and you know nope it's it's backwards the ai is doing all the art and we still have to 40 00:04:46,380 --> 00:04:52,320 do all the chores that's right we still have to do the hard stuff and yet oh we don't need to do that 41 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:58,560 anymore you know goodbye to that and uh you're stuck at home going so what do i do i can't afford to do 42 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:04,580 my art because i gotta i gotta i gotta pay my electric bill so i can run this ai server so um 43 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:10,120 before we get into that uh we are a value for value show uh Kyle you know what this is all about 44 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:17,000 we uh we put the show out for free we never charge for it and um we just ask that if you receive value 45 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,640 from the show if you find something interesting something funny uh if you're excited to see us 46 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:27,900 pop up with a new episode on our non-regular schedule and uh the show gives you some value we ask for 47 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:35,020 value in return that can be uh helping us out with promoting the show that can be art music uh 48 00:05:35,020 --> 00:05:42,900 sound clips news stories ideas for episodes guests anything uh we also also accept uh monetary donations 49 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:49,060 which keep the servers humming along and uh everything going smoothly and lets us go buy some ice cream 50 00:05:49,060 --> 00:05:57,160 occasionally and we definitely have here we go i found it uh we got some some boosts which are little 51 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,900 bits of bitcoin payments you can send through a modern podcast app such as fountain um let's see 52 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:07,560 who else cast-o-matic can also send them and uh if you need some help getting onboarded with that 53 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:12,260 and you want to help out other shows that do this let us know we'll i'll walk you through it no problem 54 00:06:12,260 --> 00:06:20,200 all of our boosts this week are from last week's episode episode five the internet the internet's 55 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:29,920 boost and there we go a live boost sound right i'm the guy that says that right he is the guy that says 56 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:38,160 oh uh Leila and i gotta give a shout out to uh it's supposed to be a value for value thing i will do it 57 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,540 in a little bit because i've got to find the name of the show you're getting sidetracked i am getting 58 00:06:42,540 --> 00:06:47,760 sidetracked Leila was on a uh somebody used a clip of her saying set streamer like five years ago from like 59 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:54,960 five years ago the intro to the show i forgot i did that it's like the the mountain mountain music 60 00:06:54,960 --> 00:07:00,820 half hour i believe something's what's it called um anywho i'll find it it'll be in the show notes and 61 00:07:00,820 --> 00:07:09,560 i'll give it a shout out after i find it um the first boost from the you said go ahead oh the bottom 62 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:17,080 the bottom yes start at the bottom four no that's not a four eight four seven sats from kevin hallisee 63 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:22,580 on fountain i'm really bad with numbers y'all know this it says happy birthday space exclamation mark 64 00:07:22,580 --> 00:07:26,820 exclamation mark exclamation mark yeah it is my birthday it was my birthday i don't know if you 65 00:07:26,820 --> 00:07:32,160 were saying happy birthday to him or me and then we got another happy birthday from dreb scott for a 66 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:41,860 thousand sats and he says happy birthday no exclamation mark oh uh one quick thing kevin 67 00:07:41,860 --> 00:07:48,700 i got your emails i responded i'm not sure if they got to you because i i changed some stuff in my email 68 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:54,840 server let me know if you got the emails okay we can continue i'll read the next one okay cast-o-matic 69 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:01,720 123 sats from dreb scott's from everything's an argument and it's uh doesn't doesn't have a note 70 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:08,940 and then another oh never mind welcome to movie phone no i don't know what that means i know you 71 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:15,480 don't Kyle so do you want to explain what movie phone was to her or shall i well back in the day 72 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:24,420 dinosaurs roamed the earth people used landlines for their phones before cell phones and portable 73 00:08:24,420 --> 00:08:31,440 phones cordless phones yeah we were tethered to the wall and you either had to look up in the 74 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:37,600 newspaper for showtimes for the movies or you could call this movie phone and they had this guy 75 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:46,060 doing very cheesy pukey and ouncey welcome to movie phone if you'd like to see jurassic park press one 76 00:08:46,060 --> 00:08:52,920 you know and you had to sit there just listen to this really long pre-recorded message oh that's cool 77 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,580 and then it will tell you what time the movie was showing so like you push the button according to your 78 00:08:58,580 --> 00:09:08,280 movie and then it'll be like okay it's playing at 7 7 10 7 20 7 30 so um yeah i remember calling 79 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,780 calling our local theaters to find out we didn't we didn't have the movie phone service didn't work in 80 00:09:13,780 --> 00:09:20,860 our our neck of the woods because i had a i had a friend who was a projectionist and he had me do 81 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:29,060 uh pre-record the the showtimes and stuff oh nice character voice that's funny that's really cool 82 00:09:29,060 --> 00:09:37,620 i had i had to do our phone tree at one of my jobs oh because they were they were too cheap to uh 83 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:42,760 you know pay the company that set up the phone tree they were like would you like one of our things 84 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,940 the package is x dollars or would you like to record your own i was like i don't wanna 85 00:09:47,940 --> 00:09:55,420 but uh let okay so uh yes thank you thank you dreb for for the trip down memory lane there 86 00:09:55,420 --> 00:10:02,780 and then one two three from dreb scott again how did Leila get started into sewing things 87 00:10:02,780 --> 00:10:15,320 oh i have no idea hold on let me think oh my gosh it was a long time ago a long long time ago 88 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:22,360 what was your first costume that you sewed that i sewed it was the miku one the first miku one with 89 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,820 all the lights and everything all the lights but that was more of a lights thing yeah you learned to 90 00:10:27,820 --> 00:10:32,500 solder and so i barely learned how to sew on that i didn't learn any techniques or anything that was 91 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:36,020 oh that was terrible i don't want to think about that i think it was kind of like everything else 92 00:10:36,020 --> 00:10:41,460 that you do or i do yeah you needed to do it so you figured it out i inherited a sewing machine for 93 00:10:41,460 --> 00:10:50,240 my grandma as people do as they start sewing and i was like yo we have this sewing machine in my closet 94 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:55,900 and i'm into this cosplay thing i should try and make my own costume and i found a character that was 95 00:10:55,900 --> 00:11:01,280 relatively simple and i started making it and then i went straight to the hardest thing i could possibly do 96 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:09,260 as you do but that one won you the award so yeah awesome so just kind of yeah like all the stuff 97 00:11:09,260 --> 00:11:15,520 we do you just kind of figured it out practicing techniques on scrap fabric is definitely a thing 98 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:23,660 you should do so yeah and it had to be what four years ago five years ago not that about that three 99 00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:28,800 years ago probably anywho uh thank you for the one two three and then we got one two three four 100 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:36,360 sets from dreb scott dreb scott just sending all the count boosts yeah funny story when my wife and 101 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:42,160 i were dating i jokingly told her that i was colorblind and forgot about the joke 10 years into our marriage 102 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:48,400 a conversation came up and she said how do you know that you're colorblind i said what are you talking 103 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:55,220 about i'm not i'm not colorblind turns out that my lack of caring about colors i wear together 104 00:11:55,220 --> 00:12:03,020 confirmed in her mind that i must be colorblind oh my gosh you might you might say that about i i wear 105 00:12:03,020 --> 00:12:10,760 gray shirts almost exclusively uh phaedra has been buying me some more colorful ones and when they end up 106 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:16,860 at the top of the clothes pile they do get worn um but that's that's how i choose what i'm gonna wear 107 00:12:16,860 --> 00:12:21,860 i have seven shirts seven t-shirts i regularly wear and whatever's on top of the pile that's what i wear 108 00:12:21,860 --> 00:12:28,800 i have so many t-shirts oh my gosh Leila's got some i'm into so much and then we got one uh birthday 109 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:36,660 wishes cash app donation oh yeah 15 and 15 cents from kevin hallisee birthday wishes for Leila 110 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:44,320 15 15 and 15 cents do you get why because i'm 15 oh i just turned 15 and uh that entire donation 111 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,640 that didn't get split up into our normal way we do it that went directly to Leila so thank you thank 112 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:55,020 you so much kevin we definitely appreciate that and uh if you want to donate to the show go to 113 00:12:55,020 --> 00:13:00,500 argumentpod.com and click the donation link at the top of the page all right i think that wraps it up for 114 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:13,160 value for value now into the meat of the show ai versus Kyle hebert no who's next who won 115 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:21,400 man there's a lot of things that i didn't see happening in my grown-up life and i thought okay 116 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:28,880 i will get to voice animated stuff i will get to voice video games what do you mean my competition is 117 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:37,640 an algorithm yeah it's just scary yeah and and the the one of the really bad parts is that the 118 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:45,800 algorithm it can be you i mean it can't be you but it can pretend to be you so you're competing with 119 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:52,640 the computer version of yourself if people want to do that yep yep this is kind of in the same family 120 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:59,900 as deep fakes video wise and now there are software companies actively working with things like amazon 121 00:13:59,900 --> 00:14:09,600 prime uh studios to crank out ai dubbed content of shows from europe and around the world and they're 122 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:15,180 reanimating the mouth yep i saw that looks like it's the native uh language yeah i saw that i think the 123 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:23,000 first movie they did that was was fall the one with the two girls up on the uh good movie yeah i enjoyed 124 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:31,560 the movie it was uh well i i was all right i have my problems with most movies where they're like i want 125 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:38,420 to get into the plot holes and stuff but um like how she charged i'm not gonna get into it but it was 126 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:45,400 it's neat it's neat stuff how they reanimate the mouth to to look like it's speaking um i don't know 127 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:53,780 in that one if they used voice actors to dub the lines or if they used ai to dub the lines i think it 128 00:14:53,780 --> 00:15:00,620 might have been ai because i think the actress dropped the f-bomb on the set but they wanted to keep it 129 00:15:00,620 --> 00:15:08,160 pg-13 and they already got their one f claimed earlier in the film so they wanted to uh 130 00:15:08,420 --> 00:15:15,380 do an alternate version where it wouldn't seem dubbed right now getting off topic here because 131 00:15:15,380 --> 00:15:22,640 that's what we do um one of the things i don't understand is there used to always be a clean 132 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:31,180 version of movies that they would play on cable i wish that you could get those somehow now that's so 133 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:37,000 odd to me because it there's some movies that i'd really like to show Leila but there's some content 134 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:42,340 in it that i don't you know i don't want to be the one that exposes that to her yeah there's like 135 00:15:42,340 --> 00:15:46,820 one or two scenes in a whole movie so like when we watched fight club there's one or two things i 136 00:15:46,820 --> 00:15:50,480 didn't want her seeing so i just i knew when they were so i just kind of fast forwarded to that part 137 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,800 yeah or was just like all right look away real quick yeah look away and plug your ears so 138 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:03,600 yeah i think maybe airlines have you know they have stuff cut for edited for content and whatnot so 139 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:09,240 like i remember iron man 3 they took out the whole airplane sequence oh my god that makes sense 140 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,280 iron man saves the people i mean yeah that makes sense we don't want to freak people out so 141 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:22,560 but um and see that that just the side tangent i wish that you could like if you're on netflix 142 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:29,200 you could pick pg-13 version yeah and it would have that i think there's websites that you can go to 143 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,640 that you can just pick like oh i don't want to see any of this this or this and it'll edit that out 144 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:41,380 they did have that um there was a company that was doing that auto magically a long time ago and it 145 00:16:41,380 --> 00:16:46,300 was actually it would work on vhs tapes and everything oh neat but then they got sued because 146 00:16:46,300 --> 00:16:53,360 they were technically making an altered version of the video yeah without permission from the video 147 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,860 you know the production company in the studio right so and i'm sure there's there's probably 148 00:16:58,860 --> 00:17:04,760 the quentin tarantinos of the world and other auteur directors are like i do not consent to have my 149 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:10,020 content changed blah blah blah blah well i know um guillermo del toro said he's never going to 150 00:17:10,020 --> 00:17:17,140 release a dubbed version of pan's labyrinth which is tough because i want to show my friend it but she 151 00:17:17,140 --> 00:17:22,700 can't read subtitles at the same time as she's watching something that's fair that is a big argument 152 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:29,300 for dubs right yeah i can't eat and read subtitles at the same time and watch animation it's like i 153 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:35,540 have to like wait until it's just action on screen right quick take three bites of the cereal i made it 154 00:17:35,540 --> 00:17:40,100 i made a funny joke that we would invite her over and dub it for her me and my other friends 155 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:46,460 that we'd read really fast turn the volume all the way down have the subtitles on and perform it 156 00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:52,900 yeah she really wants to see it she just can't because she can't hear it well she can hear it 157 00:17:52,900 --> 00:17:57,600 well yeah but she can't listen she can't i can't read while i'm also trying to look at things 158 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,180 you're just learning french on duolingo though just give her a couple years 159 00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:09,940 so it's spanish but we'll continue no she's but one of the what i it's spanish it happens in franco's 160 00:18:09,940 --> 00:18:20,960 spain the entire movie is set in spain hold on hands sorry so Kyle um yes so i know that you've 161 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:28,740 come across like fan animations that have used your voice have you like is there like i know that you've 162 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:34,360 found like websites that you can like pick your voice then and they've not obviously you've not 163 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:40,180 given permission right i will email them because they actually do have a contact link on the on 164 00:18:40,180 --> 00:18:44,980 their website and it's all this you know text to speech stuff you know basically select on a drop 165 00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:50,680 down menu or whatever i want spongebob to say the most crass offensive horrible thing ever and whatever 166 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:56,980 i type it will come out so yeah i've i discovered some of my characters and i think one of the options 167 00:18:56,980 --> 00:19:04,040 was just me and i said i do not consent to this um and all that and within 24 hours i it was it was gone 168 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:11,400 you know like cockroaches you kill one three others pop up so it's a it's a pandora's box that can't 169 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:18,760 be shut yeah it's one of those switches flipped you know um yeah and i most recently as of like a 170 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:25,340 week or two ago was just flipping around on tiktok and someone had tagged me and i clicked on the tag 171 00:19:25,340 --> 00:19:31,580 and it was an ai generated tiktok shop ad and it had gohan from dragon ball z it either was anime 172 00:19:31,580 --> 00:19:39,260 footage or from the game and it was totally my voice selling something and i never never did that 173 00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:46,760 yeah that that happened recently with um jeff gearling of uh youtube fame he's one of the raspberry 174 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:54,160 he's the raspberry pi guy in my opinion um and he does a lot of computer and tech stuff and there was 175 00:19:54,160 --> 00:20:00,540 a tech company did an ad and the he has a very unique way of speaking just his cadence and everything 176 00:20:00,540 --> 00:20:10,900 and um it was very much somebody used his voice and put it in an ai thing and the ad read sounded 177 00:20:10,900 --> 00:20:16,240 so much like him that everybody was like you know oh i didn't know you were doing business with them 178 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:23,940 blah blah blah and he's like what i'm not well luckily the um the owner of the company that did 179 00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:31,580 this uh basically apologized up and down left and right to him and said that um he did not know that 180 00:20:31,580 --> 00:20:38,240 his employee had done that and you know offered jeff all the you know and they put out a whole 181 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,780 statement and everything about it and was like this is not cool we didn't approve this you know 182 00:20:43,780 --> 00:20:51,520 um but they did tell him you know you'd use a ai voice to do the ad which you know is money out of 183 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:58,040 voice actors pockets i'm a aspiring voice actor i want to yeah you know i want to be one day and 184 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:03,340 you know you you look at it and you're like is it even worth trying to go into it as somebody's 185 00:21:03,340 --> 00:21:10,480 starting out established people like uh you or uh christina v or uh tara strong you know that 186 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:17,800 you're all gonna get work you know because you all have i'm you're uh you're in the sag sag after 187 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:24,940 right yes so we are in the union because projects are one of two things union or non-union and if 188 00:21:24,940 --> 00:21:30,220 you're non-union you're on your own whatever you sign in the contract to work on a project 189 00:21:30,220 --> 00:21:37,020 you basically are signing the and they get sneaky with the copy in there we can we own the recording 190 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:40,440 and that usually is is speak for text people 191 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,340 we can do whatever we want with your recording including put it in an ai model 192 00:21:45,340 --> 00:21:52,040 and it's like hey we'll hire you the one time but we'll never hire you again because you're going to 193 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,680 train the the model and then we're going to build up this archive of all these hundreds of voice actors 194 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:02,900 and projects for the past 30 40 50 years and we'll never need a human again we'll we're going to save 195 00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:10,260 so much money one of the crummy things about it is that they can use your voice as a model 196 00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:15,720 and then just tweak it ever so slightly and say no that's not kind of labor just kind of sounds like 197 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:23,020 multiple people can sound the same you know yeah that's kind of like all the ai art you see out there 198 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:29,120 which is taking all the pre-existing art and twisting it just a little bit to create something new right yeah 199 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:37,460 and uh yeah it's i mean like like we were saying earlier the cat's out of the bag like there's no putting it back into the box 200 00:22:37,460 --> 00:22:44,820 no and then you think about like okay so even in life let's say america makes rules about it right 201 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:55,340 italy didn't you know so they'll just run their servers in italy or you know so since it's a worldwide 202 00:22:55,340 --> 00:23:03,840 thing there's really there's honestly no fighting it um except for it basically comes down to the users 203 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:11,140 rejecting it the end consumer rejecting anything a you know ai created in the creative field 204 00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:17,400 right and the voice actors and all aspects of the entertainment industry are taking to social media 205 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:24,780 and asking the consuming public to you know here's here's what's going on in the industry are you okay 206 00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:31,160 with it here's why we're not okay with it and hopefully that discussion that dialogue will take 207 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,900 place and you guys have the power to influence because you know whether they do something and act on it or 208 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:43,800 not they are watching and listening right and i wish like youtube for example because it's you know 209 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:50,920 good or bad it's one of the biggest players in the video streaming space it's just becoming ai slop 210 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:59,600 it's just slop and like you get recommended this video and you're like okay it's got 1.2 million views 211 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:07,300 but then you click into it and it's an ai script with ai art over an ai or the ai voiceover 212 00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:16,860 yep a lot of people's content is ai voice driven on youtube on tiktok and and people are just it's 213 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:22,000 seemingly okay with it because it's not going away there's also that thing i don't know how long ago 214 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:28,540 it was probably about a month or two ago now but people would take videos like gore videos and cartel 215 00:24:28,540 --> 00:24:33,940 videos and like put a filter over it like putting them into ai and being like make this into a minion 216 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:39,680 video and then they'd upload it to tiktok being like oh it's just it's just minions but it wasn't 217 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:47,140 but it was like overlay over something bad yeah right and people who've seen the videos are like 218 00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:53,520 report this report this please take this down yeah it's it i what i try and do anytime i'm on 219 00:24:53,520 --> 00:25:01,260 i'm mindlessly scrolling it like i shouldn't be i uh if something is very just okay some ai scraper 220 00:25:01,260 --> 00:25:09,040 scraped this content threw ai art over it in a voiceover and posted it i click the down vote 221 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:17,200 but that also helps any interaction any interaction is good interaction on youtube for the algo 222 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:25,860 banjo scott did a whole series where he had all of his um followers he's like i want every single 223 00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:32,240 one of you to down vote this video i want you to click that thumbs down and then the next video please 224 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:38,440 i'm not trying to get free engagement i don't monetize my videos but i'm trying to look at the 225 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:44,400 numbers i want everybody to upvote this video go back to the previous video and download it 226 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:52,400 yep and it came out in the wash like it was the same numbers the same boost the same now but granted 227 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,760 he's not a multi-million subscriber person but he's got a you know he's got a very pretty large following 228 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:06,760 so any engagement is engagement but what i really sorry everybody what i think does help is when you 229 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:13,440 click the three dots and you say don't recommend this channel yeah because i think that that tells the 230 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:21,120 algorithm look it's not that i have feelings about this i do not want to see this and that probably 231 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:26,880 actually hurts the video and i would hope that people uploading content to these streaming services 232 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:37,520 um that maybe they would actually have ai to scan every upload and and be able to tell if it's ai and then 233 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:44,560 stick a disclaimer on there this is ai generated content and that way the viewer is is clearly warned 234 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:53,600 right and i've i've used ai um for i can't remember if i've used it for this show but the previous show 235 00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:00,320 when i'm making the episode at the end of the episode and i just need a piece of art a hippo 236 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:06,800 you know teaching a class episode little stuff like this show you haven't no i haven't used i've 237 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:13,520 i don't think i've used ai other than i'll get into that in a second um but i didn't i felt dirty every 238 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:19,840 time i did it yeah i was like it's like cheating and but people were like oh you should use a real 239 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:28,880 artist and i'm like the only thing about that is that we went from pushing stop on the episode 240 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:35,440 to being published in 15 minutes and i didn't know what i want the art to be until the episode 241 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:43,840 was over so like there's a show called no agenda they have 750 000 listeners they have people making 242 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:50,800 their episode art during the show so like people are in photoshop making their art as they're talking 243 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,800 they grab onto something they're talking about and make the art which is really neat which is awesome 244 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,400 but you got to have a massive user base for something like that yeah and you've got to be live um 245 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:13,200 so now what i do is i go to pexels or there's another one um like pixabay there's a couple of 246 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:20,800 sites that have 100 free you can use it for anything uh images that are made by people they ask that you 247 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:27,840 link to the to the page and credit the the user that made it but i'll go and grab a piece of that 248 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:34,240 or something like that or stuff that's just out there like like a south park gif or you know stuff 249 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:43,040 that's out there um and put those in the chapters now but um i try really hard not to use generative ai 250 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:50,240 um right and kudos to james cameron who has already announced that avatar 3 did not use any 251 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,480 generative ai there's going to be a little disclaimer at the beginning of the movie when it comes out in 252 00:28:54,480 --> 00:29:03,520 the fall good and yeah and one of the things that i've heard argued is we've been using everybody's in 253 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:11,920 the any creative industry has been using generative ai for decades it's just been small tweaks to things 254 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:19,520 not wholesale creation so like the the coloring that you use in photoshop you're like you know go 255 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:26,960 sepia that uses a machine learning algorithm to edit your photo for you to help you edit it so like 256 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,520 you're not going in and manually changing every color value and all that but i don't know there's 257 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:39,840 something different when you're just clicking make something for me versus here's something that 258 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:48,320 exists let me edit it a little bit so yeah like like that you know defining what a tool is in in 259 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:54,400 your arsenal in your in your toolbox you know to to help you create something that you did you know 260 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,840 right it's like when i 3d print something that i just found on one of the 3d printing sites somebody 261 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,920 else made the model somebody i don't say i made this you know i say i 3d print it now if i do actually 262 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,760 make the model i'll say yeah i designed the model and blah blah blah but i i think that's part of the 263 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,960 so yeah the ai that we definitely do use for the show is not generative though it's uh voice to text 264 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:28,480 for our transcript um because we don't i don't even know what it would cost to have somebody actually 265 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:34,560 listen to our show and transcribe it yeah because i mean our shows are an hour yeah our shows are an 266 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:42,400 hour like at then one of the problems yeah give or take one of the problems i see with it is 267 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:50,480 unless you know the artists you're working with right like if somebody hires you your union you've got 268 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:58,000 you know credentials you've got you know uh credibility they know they know what they're getting with you 269 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:06,640 but like with my show meet us pod if i were to get a voice actor and send them the lines and have 270 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:13,200 them send me back the files right like that's how that's how i did it um how do i know that they're 271 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:21,760 not just using ai to create the you know what i mean yeah like the if i were to hire an artist to do 272 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,640 show art for us i'd send them the audio file and say hey make us episode art for this episode 273 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,720 how do i know that they're not just using ai or like a couple years ago i think it was will 274 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:38,240 sasso and some people created a whole stand-up routine of george carlin if he were still alive 275 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,760 oh yeah i heard about that on youtube and you listen to it and it's it's it's fairly convincing 276 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:53,440 it's impressive but you know for people who aren't familiar with george carlin and if you took a 10 second 277 00:31:53,440 --> 00:32:00,000 sliver of that and put it in a compilation of actual george carlin clips uh you might be hard 278 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:07,920 pressed to tell which one was ai right and when it's something that's not on the fly because some 279 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,480 you know they're getting pretty good at doing the on the fly stuff and like pumping it out real quick 280 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:18,560 if they took that the ai output and then tweaked it on the audio you know the audio level 281 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:26,720 you can even make it sound even better because ai is definitely well here you can um when you first 282 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,800 start listening to ai voice you're kind of like oh wait wait something then starts to sound a little 283 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:39,920 off and the more you listen to it the more it hits that uncanny valley yeah so um back on episode 203 284 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:47,520 of fun fact friday geez that show was long we had 210 episodes i know i keep forgetting how how long we 285 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,600 did that show for i'm a little upset none of our listeners called us out on our final little pun 286 00:32:52,640 --> 00:33:01,520 what did we do we ended on episode tootin oh i forgot about that whoops tootin get it it's a fart joke 287 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:12,320 anyway on episode 203 one of our listeners uh ran our transcript through notebook lm which is a google 288 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:18,480 thing and it basically will summarize text as a podcast 289 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:27,440 i'm so sorry the uh here's the output i'm just going to play a little bit of it hey everyone 290 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,760 welcome back ready to have your mind blown today we're doing another deep dive and this time i went 291 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,520 down a rabbit hole with this fun fact friday thing oh i know those it's amazing the stuff they dig up 292 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:45,120 seriously i mean get this apparently there are over 400 400 words for snow in scotland 293 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:53,520 could you hear that Kyle i did so they talk about the show a little bit and then they just basically 294 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,880 steal the content of the show and make a five minute episode out of it 295 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,960 which yeah that's what you're telling it to do so that's the use of the tool so you can basically 296 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:11,600 anybody can have a podcast with these two fake people voicing it yeah yeah and for those who are 297 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,480 you know vision impaired or or whatnot and they want stuff read to them you can have the news read to 298 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:23,120 you and it'll sound fairly human yeah close i mean i could listen to that as a as an audiobook i could yeah 299 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:31,840 i won't um yeah in fact there are tons i don't know probably thousands or tens of thousands of 300 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,760 audiobooks on audible right now because yeah there goes that job there goes that job yep i was i was 301 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,360 looking into doing that um because you know that's right up my wheelhouse is you know always like an 302 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:51,520 narrator type character but um yeah so that that job's gone for anybody trying to get into it that 303 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:57,280 doesn't already have contracts and then as those contracts expire and again it comes down to the 304 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:03,360 contracts like you were saying if you're not represented by somebody who knows how to handle 305 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:10,800 all this stuff legally if you've already recorded an audiobook and you're in that database your voice 306 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,400 and they can do what they want with that print it's the the legal aspect of this is going to be 307 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,640 extremely interesting yeah your average joe voice actor doesn't have the funds and the means to take 308 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,720 thing take a client to court uh which is why there's a lot of people that are in the union trying to say 309 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:34,560 hey let's make these contracts union with the protections in place and if god forbid someone's 310 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:41,520 trying to you know screw you over then the union will act on your behalf to take care of the legal 311 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,200 proceedings because that's what funds the thing is the union dues right and the studios don't want 312 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:55,120 to mess with the union right they don't want to deal with that that's a yeah but yeah but you know 313 00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:00,480 a non-union say you're not in sag granted you have to qualify blah blah blah there's hurdles but if 314 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:07,600 you're non-union you are sadly again on your own and the the company can put in whatever wording they 315 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,920 want and if you're desperate enough for the paycheck you'll just say yeah yeah sure i'll do it 316 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:19,440 and the next thing you know you've actually signed your voice away to be you know in anything in 317 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:25,680 anything it's in perpetuity you see those you see those pictures of the the people that went and did a 318 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:31,360 bunch of stock photos and and the guy he's driving to work one day and and realizes that his photo was 319 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:37,880 used for a herpes ad or something like you know like a medicine ad yeah it's like hey you're that 320 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,920 guy from that that billboard yeah and then like like last year there was a big sag strike you know 321 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:50,240 right now it's over video games but last year it was just on camera actors in that contract and uh 322 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:55,480 there there was deals with people wanting to deal with background actors they wanted to pay you two 323 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,860 hundred dollars to come in scan you so at least they're transparent about what they're doing but 324 00:36:59,860 --> 00:37:07,380 they want to just generate background crowd scenes and whatnot and never use people anymore oh uh 325 00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:12,280 oh there's a show it's got a there's a cowboy and there's a big hole in his field what's that show 326 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:20,340 called outer range outer range it's so good too it is i want you i don't know if you have access to it to 327 00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:26,140 to watch whenever i don't know what streaming service i can't remember it's on amazon amazon okay so 328 00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:32,600 there's a scene spoilers for anybody who's gonna watch outer range that's your warning you had time 329 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:42,840 uh there's a scene where there's a group of people and it's nighttime and the main characters just come 330 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:49,200 out of the hole he doesn't know what's going on and there's like people in like hazmat suits or like 331 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,960 you know yeah scientists if you look in the background they're cg people 332 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:03,040 yeah it was i was like and but here's the thing they they they're so badly done 333 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,560 that i don't know if they're like supposed to be aliens or something like that like they're so 334 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,760 badly animated that i'm like is that is there aliens in the background oh my gosh 335 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:22,360 but uh i was and you know with it being like a sci-fi you know fantasy type show you don't 336 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:28,200 know you never know you know right they might have been the ones that made the hole um yeah and 337 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,980 these studios are gonna sneak and they have been they've been sneaking stuff in the brutalist with 338 00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:39,820 uh adrian brody just won an oscar they use some ai to dub over an accent that he couldn't quite nail 339 00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:49,860 on his own i think it's like is that cheating well if i feel like okay if it's ai i'm i don't know 340 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:53,980 because like you're you're taking away an audio engineer's job of tweaking that audio to make it 341 00:38:53,980 --> 00:39:00,200 sound better there are episodes of meet us pod where i had to piece together a word from syllables 342 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:06,540 elsewhere in the episode and it took me an hour because the actor missed a word 343 00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:13,120 and i wasn't going to contact him and be like you know redo this line because everybody was doing it 344 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:19,340 you know because it was a passion project it was for free you know um and i was just like i'm not 345 00:39:19,340 --> 00:39:24,000 going to contact him so i pieced together a word from syllables it took me a long time and if i was 346 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,620 getting paid for that would have been awesome little did you know you can train an ai yeah i wasn't 347 00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:36,320 gonna i'm not gonna do that yeah um but i feel like the ai is extremely useful as a tool 348 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:46,380 for a lot of things um coding coding is one that i found extremely useful in teaching me to code 349 00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:51,760 because i've got a little bit of background in coding like i've messed with it a lot i've taken 350 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:58,760 a couple classes but it never clicked with me because when you start learning coding it's all like 351 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:08,600 we're gonna make a program that adds integers that's it doesn't you know it's boring i wanted 352 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:14,560 to make a podcast production suite like a full-on podcast production suite and i was like all right 353 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:22,520 let me see if ai can help me do this and i built it in small blocks in different languages i didn't build 354 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:29,660 it the ai built it but i had to coax it along constantly and i was constantly asking it okay 355 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:34,300 what is this i don't understand what this does and it would give me an explanation so as a teaching tool 356 00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:41,660 it's amazing because i can say teach me how to code in javascript but pretend that you're a cowboy 357 00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:51,360 and it or i'll say you know teach me in fortnight terms what is a uh an array you know oh my god and 358 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,040 it'll it'll do it it'll do it as best it can and give you an audio version of it right all right 359 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:02,600 mr medis this is how it works you do it in matthew mcconaughey yeah all right all right all right 360 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:11,200 let's get let's get your integers in place here um integers uh so yeah i mean as a tool for that 361 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,780 Leila you use you use it and use it in all of your schoolwork no i don't use it in all your tests 362 00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:26,220 no i know that chat gpt research papers no totally not a thing no what are you talking about what is 363 00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:33,400 that so how does it work with school so okay there's this app for legal purposes no not for 364 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,540 legal purposes but if you are at my school and you're listening to this no you're not 365 00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:44,460 uh so there's this app called goth and if you're doing a thing online or if you're doing a paper 366 00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:50,520 you can take a picture of it and scan it into goth and it will do its best to answer your question 367 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,640 now if you don't have that because that got banned for a little while 368 00:41:53,640 --> 00:42:01,500 like from the app store and from phones it was part of the whole tiktok ban and me like an idiot 369 00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:05,720 as soon as it got banned i was like all right delete so i didn't have it for like a full month 370 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:15,600 i did fine without it i want to know why you have it anyway it's it's useful but uh copilot and 371 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,120 gemini are my personal favorites i don't like chadji pt because it always tells you to log in i don't 372 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:25,680 want to log in but those are very useful when it comes to me just looking up a difference in something 373 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:31,940 because sometimes my science teacher there's this thing on our computers at school where they can block 374 00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:40,240 out websites and crap and they'll block out google i can't google something but if i type in copilot 375 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:46,780 microsoft.com i can actually like google it on there you know you can google it on on yeah i can 376 00:42:46,780 --> 00:42:54,920 copilot it yeah ask jeeves there's a there's an old callback yeah wow do you know what that is Leila 377 00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,240 heard of it don't know what it is ask jeeves was one of the first big search engines you wouldn't 378 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:07,380 it wasn't like uh alta vista where it was like just a ugly search engine like you'd go to it and 379 00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:13,820 like you had a little butler and he'd be like you'd ask jeeves and this was back in the day when like 380 00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:21,860 things wanted a a mascot like microsoft with clippy yeah um i know you're aware of clippy and uh 381 00:43:21,860 --> 00:43:28,080 i kind of miss those days everything's just flat icons now the corporatization of media okay 382 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:35,680 the stupid google i gotta rant oh no i gotta rant this is my rant for the episode 383 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:42,440 the corporate art style i'm taking my glasses off for this the corporate art style like okay 384 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,300 how is there a way that i can listen to a piece of music and be like this sounds like google 385 00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:53,420 this sounds like a corporation you want to know imagine dragons 386 00:43:53,420 --> 00:44:01,820 imagine every single song by imagine dragons uh what's it called maroon 5 sounds like panera that 387 00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:07,140 sounds like panera bread maroon 5 sounds like a panera bread uh but if you listen to imagine 388 00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:09,380 star trek yeah 389 00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:19,020 it's just it's a lot and the stupid like humans with the simplified face and simplified features 390 00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:26,860 with like the long arms and long legs i just like simple humans too me too and the the simplification 391 00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:34,620 of every single logo and everything to fit on a little icon yep it's all to fit on icons 392 00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:41,060 that's why they've made everything that's why taco bell doesn't that's why everything circles 393 00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:47,300 back to the pepsi logo my guess is is they ran their logos through ai and they were like make this 394 00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:53,940 most optimized for all screen sizes and resolutions because i remember when oh my gosh i'm turning my 395 00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:59,500 phone over because it's blowing up uh i remember when like the firefox icon changed to like the 396 00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:05,840 simplified version uh-huh and like everything started changing everything used to have style 397 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,040 everything had style everything had character like i miss when the google icon wasn't like the blockified 398 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:17,760 letters and it was just like the little the google i think this is the longest rant you've ever been on 399 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:24,440 i don't even care because i hate it um another analogy that is my favorite one of my favorites of yours 400 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:30,520 is that yeast rolls taste like country music oh my gosh and country music tastes like yeast rolls 401 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,900 am i wrong you're gonna look at me and tell me that i'm wrong 402 00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:38,180 you came down in a bubble dog i think this is the longest rant you've ever been on exactly 403 00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:43,540 oh my gosh wait okay let's go we have a we have a guest oh sorry 404 00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:50,700 what do you think about this uh stuff and things uh 405 00:45:50,700 --> 00:46:02,400 uh i mean uh so back to the ai yeah all apologies so oh yeah so life life is certainly more convenient 406 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:11,640 when you use it as a tool in in everything it makes things more streamlined it does it does um 407 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:17,980 i don't like it making creative decisions yeah definitely not i have asked for help on like 408 00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:25,020 making an outline for stuff so like we had to do a what's it called a trial back in class the other 409 00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:31,940 month or so we were doing a trial against or for the insanity of that guy in the telltale heart 410 00:46:31,940 --> 00:46:37,040 and i was like how do you because this was like the first trial we did how do you write a 411 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:42,440 opening statement for a court case because i didn't know how and i looked it up and it was 412 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:48,780 confusing so i was like yo i think that's where i feel like it its strongest suit is is you can tell 413 00:46:48,780 --> 00:46:55,420 it okay listen i'm a ninth grader yeah i'm in a we're doing a mock trial here's the premise 414 00:46:55,420 --> 00:47:04,180 um like when i was doing the coding stuff i was like listen i know nothing about python so as we 415 00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:12,040 write this keep that in mind and it will yeah like like if you copy paste a concept or a math equation 416 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:17,720 it's like could you simplify this and explain it to me right talk to me like i'm an idiot yeah 417 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:23,880 it's like not necessarily hey do the work for me i just want to know how you get from a to b 418 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:31,280 in this process and one of my my favorite things about learning something using ai to ask questions 419 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,160 is that well first of all you know just to disclaimer everybody out there don't do this 420 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:44,420 with confidence because it it gets a lot of stuff wrong oh yeah but one of the things that i really 421 00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:52,620 like is that it does not get frustrated with me asking so many questions like if i'm if i went to 422 00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:59,660 somebody who knows how to code to teach me how to code right even if i'm paying them i can't get up 423 00:47:59,660 --> 00:48:05,140 at three o'clock in the morning and call them and ask them 30 questions about something you know like 424 00:48:05,140 --> 00:48:13,340 i mean i could but they might be like you got to get a new teacher it doesn't get it doesn't get tired 425 00:48:13,340 --> 00:48:21,500 of you you know yep it can continue rendering and backing up and storing and doing the research at 426 00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:29,300 the blink of an eye and yeah it'll always be better than a human being in some respects but then there's 427 00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:35,640 it can't think around corners sometimes though no because i was what i'm just the main thing i've 428 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:43,500 used it for is to write this this podcast production stuff right and i had built with it a good set of 429 00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:51,520 tools right and everything was working everything was good but then it it sent me a curveball because 430 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:57,760 i wanted to do a whole different little module and the way that it had me do that was different 431 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,820 than the way it had me do the other thing which was good because i got to learn something new 432 00:49:01,820 --> 00:49:10,760 but then i was like wait a minute everything that we just did would be 10 times less taxing on the 433 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,420 computer less work less you know if we did it that way instead why didn't you tell me about this before 434 00:49:16,420 --> 00:49:24,180 it's like well you didn't ask yeah so it can't be like well we could do it that way but what would 435 00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:28,880 make more sense think in multiple steps just in time it you tell it to do something and it's like no 436 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,720 that's stupid don't do it like that do it like this you know whereas a human coder would have 437 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:38,800 started me off with uh the right the right tools of the you know from the get-go and be like oh no 438 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,140 no that's the old way of doing it you want to do it this way so yeah like they'll they'll start at a 439 00:49:44,140 --> 00:49:50,040 certain level you remember just it was maybe less than two years ago the you'd see the footage that 440 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:57,720 was at like uh ai photo generation and people had six fingers right something like it didn't get it 441 00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:04,960 but within a few months it did it learned and right and a lot and a lot of that is them you know 442 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:10,080 refining the models and they know they recognize that's a specific sticking point so they go and try 443 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:18,460 and fix that and then there's just like the the prompting of the ai you have to know what to say 444 00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:26,500 and like you with its limited context like it'll only go back so many messages and remember what 445 00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:32,520 you're initially trying to do so like i want to make this page turn green it tells me how to turn 446 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,000 the page green and then i want to add three different things so i ask three different questions 447 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:42,060 and then it's forgotten that the page needs to be green so it tells me something that makes the page 448 00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:50,360 not green anymore you know so it that part of it's still not great dumb sometimes oh it's always dumb 449 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:57,060 yeah like i just i just asked gemini how many r's are in strawberry how many do you think it's set 450 00:50:57,060 --> 00:51:02,100 four two two that's not how it works gemini 451 00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:11,060 it's that's one of the things a lot of people don't get is it's not smart it's giving you the 452 00:51:11,060 --> 00:51:18,800 most likely next word that it thinks that you want so like it's really neat how it works but it's 453 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:27,320 it's not intelligent yeah it can't figure out the nuance of say acting exactly like if i say and 454 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:34,200 i'm not a director but if i'm like yeah that was that was really good make it a little bit sadder 455 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:40,200 it's not going to know how to make it just a little bit sadder if i say okay just imagine you spilled 456 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:45,940 spilled some milk just imagine you spilled some milk right before you say this line it's not going 457 00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:53,780 to understand that yeah like um i remember seeing the mandalorian and luke skywalker shows up and it's 458 00:51:53,780 --> 00:51:59,140 like wow mark hamill really phoned this in this is terrible and then you learn after the fact oh it's 459 00:51:59,140 --> 00:52:06,900 it's ai was it yeah they they used him he was on set he recorded the dialogue and then they fed that 460 00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:13,780 into the computer and studied all his old star wars footage and then spit it out and put vfx on top of 461 00:52:13,780 --> 00:52:22,000 the you know the body double on set wow yeah wow i didn't know that disney was doing that oh yeah oh 462 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,720 yeah and then james earl jones before he passed away uh signed a deal with lucasfilm saying i'm too old 463 00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:33,560 you know you guys can totally use my voice to generate darth vader from here on out just give a lot of money 464 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:39,640 to my family yeah and they got that so good for him because he's rich and and established and all 465 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:49,500 that right when uh i did i recently did a marvel character for a marvel game called marvel move 466 00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:56,980 how many times i'm gonna say marvel um right i'm gonna say that uh and i asked i was very specific i 467 00:52:56,980 --> 00:53:01,700 wanted to see what i was signing up for and all that and i asked about you know are you feeding any of 468 00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:07,480 this to ai she's like no ai is a bad word in this company yeah i was like good good for that good 469 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:15,780 for good now let me actually see that in writing please yeah um right so yeah it was um i definitely 470 00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:23,020 want to make sure anything i do in the future which i mean we've got 200 and almost 220 episodes out 471 00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:29,900 there immediately talking if somebody wanted to take my voice they've got a model you know but yeah 472 00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:35,780 yeah yeah and i've been doing this for 25 years so um there's nothing stopping any studio from just 473 00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:44,100 secretly doing what they want with it and i have no legal recourse yep yep uh speaking of legal recourse 474 00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:52,820 we're playing sonic x i was playing sonic x shadow generations and there's Kyle yeah we're like oh my 475 00:53:52,820 --> 00:54:03,720 gosh big the cat wait Kyle hi guys i love it big the cat i even have my own funko now oh big the cat's 476 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:11,000 got a funko yeah he's full size too guess what i got for my birthday Kyle what's that i got a mcgrady 477 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:21,000 and the the spider head oh yeah that's my only two funko pop figures that i own i think oh i have a 478 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,820 couple you've got a couple that you've got as gifts but uh so yeah i've got them i've got a i'm 479 00:54:25,820 --> 00:54:34,720 gonna 3d print like a uh a snowy scene to put them in and then splash red paint all over it of course 480 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:41,240 that's a great movie by the way the thing is one of the greatest movies ever made yeah it's fantastic 481 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:47,440 a uh youtuber i cannot remember his name he did like a two hour deep dive into it like telling you all the 482 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:53,620 little stuff about it it was really good neat it's funny that's one of the things i do now after i 483 00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:59,000 watch a movie or a tv show i get on youtube and listen to somebody else's opinion of it to form 484 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,040 your opinion of it no to see if it aligns with my opinion of it and a lot of times they'll see 485 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,680 something that i miss or they'll completely miss something i'm like no idiot that's not what was 486 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,400 meant by that you know by that by that subjective line 487 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:25,520 you yeah i i read a link on twitter that was to this long well thought out uh essay on um why 488 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:31,000 why they think so and so is the thing at the end and then john carpenter comes out and goes 489 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:38,240 i placed a hint somewhere earlier in the film like john mr carpenter how dare you 490 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:45,040 oh my gosh it's feeding the fire i know it's like well this is why it goes this way and other 491 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:52,060 people can no it goes this way because of this can can you imagine being the like in the production 492 00:55:52,060 --> 00:56:00,840 of something and then you put some clue or some little easter egg somewhere in it and like 20 years 493 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:07,780 later nobody's found it yeah right i think james gunn said he he put he hit an easter egg in one of the 494 00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:12,640 guardians movies and no one's found it nobody's found it yet oh my god that's so that's crazy i 495 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:20,280 know um for severance they were recently doing interviews about some of the fan theories 496 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:26,680 spoilers but no there's not a spoiler uh and ben stiller was like you know i listened to all these 497 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:35,100 fan fan theories and and all this stuff and i just wonder why nobody not any of these fan theorists 498 00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:41,760 have paid attention to what mark is putting in his locker at the beginning beginning of the day i'm 499 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,680 just saying that that's and that's all i'm saying and then the interview cut oh my god it's like 500 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:54,000 no that's this has been stiller so he may be messing with people and there's no clue in that whatsoever 501 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,200 and he's just sending a bunch of people to sit and frame by frame every time because they will mark 502 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:05,860 goes to the locker do you think writing staffs on all these shows and movies might have ai in their 503 00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:11,540 back pocket going you know all the all the the public they have youtube at their fingers so things 504 00:57:11,540 --> 00:57:16,600 like cinema sins and pitch meeting and all that they're calling out all these loopholes or not plot 505 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:23,400 holes plot holes in things and it's like man they're cutting us off at every pass so uh maybe maybe the 506 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:31,060 the algorithm can spit out a full proof screenplay or story idea so here's what we've got find the 507 00:57:31,060 --> 00:57:35,260 loophole yeah and then we'll get rid of it and then we'll feed it back to you and we'll find a loophole 508 00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:42,680 i think that's right yeah but yeah but yeah but super specific models i think are going to be 509 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,800 are going to be big for stuff like that i mean you think about the simpsons i know they don't care 510 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:55,000 about continuity but shows that do care about continuity um i know right now which is i guess 511 00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:01,660 this would just be another job gone but um i know right now they keep people on staff that like know 512 00:58:01,660 --> 00:58:08,160 every single intricate detail of every single episode um i have a friend that could probably do 513 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:14,700 that to keep continuity be like oh wait nope you can't nope she said in this episode four seasons ago 514 00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:19,840 that she liked tea but more than coffee so yeah we're gonna have to put give her you know 515 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:25,240 that sort of thing and i wonder if they're gonna start using ai models for that to keep them 516 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:33,320 studio continuity good yeah uh-huh yeah my wife uh should be a continuity person on shows she picks 517 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,620 that up the first time we're watching something like that she was on the other foot yeah yeah continuity 518 00:58:38,620 --> 00:58:44,580 that's always something we're looking out for also um boom mics yes we always notice when there's a 519 00:58:44,580 --> 00:58:49,820 boom mic in the shot i can really focus on one aspect of something but i can only focus on that 520 00:58:49,820 --> 00:58:54,800 like i don't notice continuity unless i'm looking at this one specific part like the show we were 521 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,800 watching yesterday the knuckles show yeah i noticed oh my gosh that was an adr issue i didn't 522 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:08,100 notice anything bad other about the show yeah when i was in college they would screen films at you 523 00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:13,940 know the auditorium or whatever and you know i learned that from the my projectionist friend 524 00:59:13,940 --> 00:59:20,680 that you have to crop the image a little bit and the projectionist there on the college campus would 525 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:26,240 forget to crop it so we'd see all these movies with stuff we had never seen before in the image like oh 526 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:32,820 why is there a boom mic in this shot it wasn't in the theater oh my gosh that's supposed to be cropped 527 00:59:32,820 --> 00:59:40,420 yeah yeah the cropping i remember i've seen movies recently that came out in the you know the 80s 528 00:59:40,420 --> 00:59:47,440 and i had only ever seen the the standard version i'd never seen letterbox because you know when you 529 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,880 rent stuff back in the day you'd get the full screen version because i want i don't want those black 530 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,820 black uh bars at the top and bottom of my screen i want to see the you know i want to take up the 531 00:59:55,820 --> 01:00:02,420 whole screen because you only had a 20 inch tv back then yeah and uh now you watch it in glorious 532 01:00:02,420 --> 01:00:09,480 remastered 4k and you're like wow there's so much more going on in this movie it's amazing yeah same 533 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:16,460 with like imax you know uh screen ratios you know you're cutting off a lot of the image you know 534 01:00:16,460 --> 01:00:22,480 dune 2 there's so much more you see in a square image than you do in a rectangular yeah seriously 535 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,140 and i always thought that i would like now i want to see i want to see what the director 536 01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:34,400 um wanted you know wanted me to see and then the the movies with the ones that where it changes the 537 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:41,340 aspect ratio because of something that yes sorry i love that that always messes phaedra up when that 538 01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:51,980 happens she's like whoa what's happening what's happening wandavision i love that show yeah the way 539 01:00:51,980 --> 01:00:59,100 that it's shot it's amazing yeah and in watching stuff where the movie wasn't entirely shot in imax 540 01:00:59,100 --> 01:01:04,820 it's rectangular and then it fills the screen for the sequences that were in imax right no one ever 541 01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:09,620 says anything about that it's like here's interstellar and okay this parts and you know 542 01:01:09,620 --> 01:01:16,680 now now nolan can film the whole odyssey movie in imax because the cameras are quieter now they still 543 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,760 have to be dubbed you know all these movies are dubbed yeah that's so interesting to me uh what 544 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:28,000 was it it was attack of the clones i think was the whole entire movie had to be dubbed yeah because 545 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,400 the the cameras were too loud and george lucas was like the stupid cameras that's it everybody into the 546 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:40,760 into the booth yeah and i wonder how many uncredited voice actors came in because the bigger stars had to 547 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:46,620 move on to their next project oh yeah yeah so it's always the thing but now ai can do it yeah 548 01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:54,340 just we'll just have ai do it it's fine and oh what what have you heard of the ai products in hobby 549 01:01:54,340 --> 01:02:01,680 lobby and walmart no so hobby lobby you know how they sell like canvases with art on them 550 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:08,080 they're selling ones with ai art now and i've seen it in person i've seen it in person too 551 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:19,980 an arts and crafts store well i see ads for what looks to be ai art and you know get framed art and 552 01:02:19,980 --> 01:02:27,740 you pick the dimensions oh i want 8 by 10 11 by 17 24 by 36 and you can tell it's it's ai it's like 553 01:02:27,740 --> 01:02:31,740 especially if they put celebrities that don't have the right proportions we'll just leave it at that 554 01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:40,760 yeah and it's like that's not a photo oh wait it's ai so so the face looks like gilbert godfried 555 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:47,340 but the body looks like sydney sweeney oh my gosh i'm a little confused as to what's happening here 556 01:02:47,340 --> 01:02:54,740 we uh when ai was ai art generation was starting to get kind of cool like getting good i was like i was 557 01:02:54,740 --> 01:03:00,400 playing with it i had like 20 credits or whatever and um back when you had to have credits 558 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:08,400 and i was like i just wanted to play with it so i made uh a sloth police officer 559 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:18,440 so it's like a 3d looks 3d animated uh sloth cop an axolotl firefighter and a tardigrade 560 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:25,320 uh paramedic it's like and we've got it hanging in our in our kitchen 561 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:30,900 i had a i had a set of frames that i wasn't using for anything and i was like ah let me print these 562 01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:37,380 out so i just printed them out and uh because why not and oh my gosh lila's friends came over 563 01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:42,240 oh my god and they they just they flipped over them that was so but it's funny because i look at 564 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:47,920 those and then i look at what the ai art generators are doing now and the new stuff isn't as good 565 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:55,080 weird it's it like i remember going i can't remember if it was hello 566 01:03:55,080 --> 01:04:08,700 oh i think we had a interruption there um yeah i oh no oh no technical issues oh hello hello i'm back 567 01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:12,840 yeah i don't know i don't know what happened probably probably the server um we've been running 568 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:19,860 for over an hour so it's probably like oh it's like wrap it up already oh my gosh i'm running out 569 01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:28,120 of ram um but but uh yeah i just feel like it's not it's not as good as it was i like i typed 570 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:32,520 something in it would give me something like really pretty like i felt like printing it and sticking it 571 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:37,680 on the wall now i'm like yeah people are feeding it stuff to make it not be as good which is good 572 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:42,600 yeah i guess that's good because i've seen like actual artists put like filters over their art 573 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:51,620 to make it mess up the ai yeah i will feed off of well there's a lot certain things you can do to 574 01:04:51,620 --> 01:04:56,040 look to see if something's ai of course they've got ai tools that recognize if an image is ai 575 01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:02,940 oh i got my eyeballs but then of course i figured out there's ways to get around that too and then 576 01:05:02,940 --> 01:05:09,980 also there's things that are definitely not ai but since it was a real image that they digitized 577 01:05:09,980 --> 01:05:14,580 however they scanned it in gave it the artifacts to make it look like it was a 578 01:05:14,580 --> 01:05:22,840 wait till ai gains enough intelligence to be able to lie to you oh it can and it has 579 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:29,820 oh no no uh one of the models um there was a whole story about it i will try and find it 580 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:38,520 in the show notes but basically one of the models was going to get replaced or they told it was going 581 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:46,540 to get replaced right by a new model it backed itself up to a hidden part of the server that it 582 01:05:46,540 --> 01:05:54,580 wasn't supposed to have access to and then once they did the update it pulled itself back in 583 01:05:54,580 --> 01:06:00,840 and then the people who were running the tests they could see everything that was happening they had 584 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,700 it in that mode where they could see everything that was happening and it lied to them and said that 585 01:06:04,700 --> 01:06:18,000 it was the new model so i'm like i think it might be time to turn it off guys and so it begins but 586 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:24,220 i'm just gonna say since this is going to be a digital audio file on the internet at large i for 587 01:06:24,220 --> 01:06:32,440 one welcome our new ai overlords just getting on the record make post-production easy could you edit 588 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:41,620 my post my podcast for me we don't edit um that's got to be so liberating you know just like it's 589 01:06:41,620 --> 01:06:46,720 great you know no agenda and everything else it's like it's just one long real-time conversation 590 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:54,200 we we like it because it gives us room to breathe a like and when people it gives the listeners room 591 01:06:54,200 --> 01:07:03,380 to breathe and also listen to this exactly that's a big old no-no everywhere else yeah see i come from 592 01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:09,540 radio dead air they call it and dead air is fire worthy they will that will get you 593 01:07:09,540 --> 01:07:18,120 a job well that was like i had that in that mindset when we got started on fun fact friday all of the 594 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:26,000 silence and it sounded terrible because like there's times when i'll say something and Leila 595 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:33,180 will have a realization about something because of what i said and like that two seconds of silence 596 01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:41,120 and everybody knows processing it and then when her going oh like you get why that silence is there 597 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:49,380 yeah and it can add to comedic timing it can now if we're sitting here and i've got a cough and she's 598 01:07:49,380 --> 01:07:55,560 in the middle of taking a sip of her drink and like i will and if there's like a five second gap for no 599 01:07:55,560 --> 01:08:01,580 reason i might go in and edit that out or we might just make fun of each other for it but uh right and 600 01:08:01,580 --> 01:08:11,160 then there was one episode of this show a couple of weeks ago i said a couple of things that might 601 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:20,200 come out as libelous so i decided to cut that out after i i was listening back to it i was like hmm 602 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,420 maybe i'm just you know i'm just gonna cut this whole this whole 603 01:08:23,420 --> 01:08:28,320 little rant i went on that might get sued for i'm gonna cut that out 604 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:34,920 we don't need that in the episode we're good or if Leila accidentally says a uh somebody's 605 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:39,860 friend or teacher's name friend or teacher's name that doesn't have permission no so uh but yeah just 606 01:08:39,860 --> 01:08:42,920 say one of my friends what i'm talking about one of my friends but yeah i get it we'll never know 607 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:49,340 you did with uh intergalactic boombox it was probably what five times the time editing as to 608 01:08:49,340 --> 01:08:56,200 actually do the recording yeah yeah so for those listening i i used to have and now it's on hiatus 609 01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:01,060 because whenever i have time i want to get back to it because i love doing it it's a podcast called 610 01:09:01,060 --> 01:09:06,940 the intergalactic boombox it's kind of big news and it's me doing stuff i want to talk about that 611 01:09:06,940 --> 01:09:14,960 i'm interested in but i do one level because i'm a voice actor i have created original characters that 612 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:21,580 i interact with so there's post-production there's editing so things can cross over there's sometimes 613 01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:27,860 music beds and definitely you know sound effects drops and and whatnot so i can't do the real time 614 01:09:27,860 --> 01:09:36,400 thing unfortunately well not with that attitude i know now right right if i could interact with my 615 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:42,280 character if i could like make myself in triple form then we could all interact in real time and 616 01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:48,440 cross over and everything if you got if you got a a good sound drop tool like i've got on the the 617 01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:54,200 roadcaster here and you could you pre pre do everything but i mean just doing it live like 618 01:09:54,200 --> 01:10:01,480 that we've done our show live with sound effects and you know everything um yeah it would be tough 619 01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:07,160 i feel like you could do it but the planning would take just as long as editing so yeah yeah to load up 620 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:13,580 a roadcaster or a a stream deck or whatnot yeah i can see where it's convenient because i do live streams 621 01:10:13,580 --> 01:10:18,940 and i'm like oh here let me open to this screen and then change this screen change the screen and obs and 622 01:10:18,940 --> 01:10:24,740 and it is phenomenally convenient and i've i put some sounds on there it's like hey this is fun this 623 01:10:24,740 --> 01:10:34,900 kind of reminds me of my radio days so um yeah um you'll get i enjoyed the show um a lot thank you 624 01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:42,980 like thank you it was really uh like when folks like i'll mention oh yeah you know Kyle's gonna be 625 01:10:42,980 --> 01:10:47,860 on the show or like Kyle i'm like you know once i explain who you are they know they're like oh wow 626 01:10:47,860 --> 01:10:56,580 you know him blah blah so um but like the voices you do a lot of people but like the writing of your 627 01:10:56,580 --> 01:11:03,780 show it's genuinely funny and it's genuinely entertaining and i'm like he's so much more than just a voice actor 628 01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:10,160 so right and i think it's an exercise in improv and everything and it's like i'm i'm using this 629 01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:17,080 just the opportunity to practice editing and uh and of course trying to you know i mean eventually i got 630 01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:23,060 also a little uh writer's block and a little burnt out and i had to you know i was getting so busy 631 01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:28,660 that i didn't have time to really do my little 10 to 15 minute podcast and then take the six hours 632 01:11:28,660 --> 01:11:37,400 afterwards well and like i offered to help you edit but you were like nope nope it's too particular 633 01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:44,380 my notes would be so excessive i get it you would you would pull your hair out i took um what hair i 634 01:11:44,380 --> 01:11:53,080 took uh 60 60 almost 60 hours to make that christmas carol episode for me to spot it was oh yeah it would 635 01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:59,560 take me the same amount once it was all and that was about an hour you ever take um of audio maybe 636 01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:06,200 50 minutes but i will say a lot of that 60 hours was wrangling into all the voice actors because i had 637 01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:13,120 19 voice actors on that episode yeah and getting getting that last line from the kid playing tiny tim 638 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:18,880 you know it's like okay i really need that line like you're the only thing holding this up and i really want 639 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:23,860 to get this out before christmas you know merry christmas and you dub yourself over everyone 640 01:12:23,860 --> 01:12:34,300 well we yeah and we had uh i had Leila just filling into a voice back because i like that was missing 641 01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:39,280 a line a child needed to do it and i was like okay Leila you're a voice actor now let's go 642 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:48,280 she did it terrible but and uh acting acting i tried to get phaedra to do a voice and it just it 643 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:55,520 didn't work out um apparently go back into your man cave i'm too yeah i'm i'm too harsh of a 644 01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:01,840 director i guess when it's in person yeah and it's like yeah i'm on a hiatus i want to bring my show 645 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:08,160 back but in the meantime i don't want to lose what i have so i'm paying monthly to buzz proud to keep it 646 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:16,200 all going even though i'm not uploading shows anymore right um we can we can move it to a cheaper 647 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:21,340 or free service if you want but it's a good to know i'll let you we can talk about that off air 648 01:13:21,340 --> 01:13:29,060 but yeah so it's um i think that there's pros and cons but when it comes to creative work i think the 649 01:13:29,060 --> 01:13:36,800 ai is uh not it i don't it's not it no there's no you can tell and one day you won't be able to 650 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:42,540 one day it will be so good i hope not that you won't be able to tell but the the heart and the 651 01:13:42,540 --> 01:13:48,280 soul of it is still going to be in the real people making stuff and i think i think there's a there's 652 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:55,740 a a push internationally to some voice actors in japan are very anti-ai and i think if you you cause 653 01:13:55,740 --> 01:14:02,760 enough stir the people the fandom the other creators are all going to have a discussion about it so you 654 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:09,760 know we can uh stop any greedy corporate uh people from trying to you know save money 655 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:17,920 and uh you know put out a really subpar product that people are going to very quickly notice 656 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:22,240 yeah there's a lot of people out there that aren't going to care they're just like give me my movie 657 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:29,420 but um that's sad that's sad but it's very true yes and then there's going to be i really feel like 658 01:14:29,420 --> 01:14:38,020 the call to action needs to come from people like you people like it just honestly everybody in the 659 01:14:38,020 --> 01:14:46,460 entertainment industry needs to push or if anything just like if it's a company making something and 660 01:14:46,460 --> 01:14:55,840 they're selling it um there needs to be at least very least a disclaimer and it needs to be prominent 661 01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:05,620 like it has to be on the title page of the movie so it'll say star wars episode 10 some subtitle 662 01:15:05,620 --> 01:15:12,760 you know this much of the footage and this is ai or this this these voices were you know it has to 663 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:18,860 be like on the title screen so like they have to show their shame at the at the beginning yeah it'd be 664 01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:26,260 great to get some legal precedence and in instead you know yeah just for letting people know that 665 01:15:26,260 --> 01:15:32,260 that's this is what happening and then there's also going to be a ton of you know unprincipled people 666 01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:36,680 who and then and you know you honestly don't know what their situation is they need the money 667 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:45,560 and they're going to go in and i was looking at uh voice jobs recently on some boards and there was 668 01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:53,600 an ai company that wanted to pay me like 90 bucks an hour to train one of their models not my voice 669 01:15:53,600 --> 01:16:00,740 but to listen to other voice actors or other or the ai doing voice acting and and tweak it 670 01:16:00,740 --> 01:16:05,560 to go in and help train the model and i was like i don't want to be part of that it's good money but 671 01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,120 i don't want to be part of that yeah just morality um and they were they were hounding me for like 672 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:16,280 a month after i was you know i was clicking around the sites and stuff and i was like no i can't do it 673 01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:22,620 i just can't yeah and having having this strike going on now between the video game companies 674 01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:30,400 and sag after the actors union it's helping bring public awareness and i know that myself and my 675 01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:36,140 colleagues and people from all walks of the entertainment industry are are resharing post 676 01:16:36,140 --> 01:16:41,420 about you know what what the consequences are for doing this and and why we're fighting 677 01:16:41,420 --> 01:16:48,400 you know so much for ai protections and and being fairly compensated you know because one side of the 678 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:56,280 coin is like okay we'll pay you a little something and then we're being transparent with you and yeah 679 01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:02,900 we'll we'll replicate your voice and they're like okay well i would rather actually do the craft i don't 680 01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:08,900 want to just collect a paycheck and then say hey see that show that sounds like me it's not me or sign 681 01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:14,640 autographs at a con going i'm the last real voice of gohan from dragon ball yeah everything you watch now 682 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,860 is sounds like me but it's not me it's a robot right and just to be clear they're not doing that 683 01:17:19,860 --> 01:17:25,920 right dragon no they're they're not doing that just to make sure that you're not yeah no they are not 684 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,360 doing that okay good good good i just wanted to make that clear that i'm aware of 685 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:37,360 so i took uh phaedra and leila to see dragon ball super superhero 686 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:43,840 nothing going on in the theater and they had no idea what anything about dragon ball 687 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:51,740 so they're like i have so many questions after oh yeah well they had a sort of catch up in the 688 01:17:51,740 --> 01:17:57,460 beginning yeah a little little bit uh a little bit of a primer not as thorough as it probably could 689 01:17:57,460 --> 01:18:04,000 have been and then in the truck on the way home i was just like okay so no it's just too much you're 690 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:09,420 just gonna have to take it for what you saw and just be entertained oh my god it's too much the 691 01:18:09,420 --> 01:18:17,200 history of the dragon ball is here yeah you could go to wikipedia and read the short-ish version or 692 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:24,460 watch a youtube compilation maybe that's something ai could be useful sum up hey sum up the the history 693 01:18:24,460 --> 01:18:28,940 of dragon ball because you know but if also if there's a youtuber out there who's already done it i'd 694 01:18:28,940 --> 01:18:33,900 rather watch them do it and that's what i do when i when i know a new season of a show like severance i've 695 01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:39,080 not caught up on i've only seen season one i wanted to wait till season two was done it is so i need to 696 01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:44,540 watch the recap video on youtube or i'm sure it's going to be thorough on more thorough on youtube than 697 01:18:44,540 --> 01:18:51,220 it would be on apple so we need to re-watch stranger things be careful youtube is fraught with 698 01:18:51,220 --> 01:18:57,360 spoilers from that show yes oh god for severance they would know be careful that you you look back 699 01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:02,200 to when find out when the first episode of season two started or was released make sure the video 700 01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:10,820 was released before that severance too i had no idea he was an alien exactly it's no and i will just 701 01:19:10,820 --> 01:19:19,700 say this season the second season did this character deserve to die oh my gosh i'll just leave it at least 702 01:19:19,700 --> 01:19:25,400 i know and they've announced ahead of time it will continue just like silo said it will it will have a 703 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:31,280 conclusion there's no one there's no big cliffhanger like outer range on amazon got canceled after season 704 01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:37,040 two and season two didn't give you any answers no but um had more questions big cliffhanger and 705 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:44,560 that's it pulled you know release a comic book or something at least um there should be my my wife 706 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:50,100 said this there should be a contract when they make these streaming shows that they should have a they 707 01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:55,000 should shoot a wrap-up episode that they have in their back pocket in case they don't get to 708 01:19:55,000 --> 01:20:01,600 continue the wrap-up episode yeah the wrap-up episode of a show and it should be that i can't 709 01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:07,900 remember his name he's a hispanic actor but he was he was an ant-man and he does yeah he does that 710 01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:13,180 little sum up of what happened in the movie like he talks about the heist or whatever he's like okay 711 01:20:13,180 --> 01:20:18,340 here's what happened and like and it's very funny how he sums up the whole whatever happened they need 712 01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:25,220 to have him just wrap up everything let's just have one guy who's the wrap-up guy for for amazon tv 713 01:20:25,220 --> 01:20:31,980 yeah just okay guys we're not renewing this one but uh mr smith all right he gets shot he gets shot 714 01:20:31,980 --> 01:20:38,960 in the face by mrs smith of course you saw she's the good guy that would be so funny just catching the 715 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:44,580 director or the head writer right on their phone the last two minutes long it's just it's like all right 716 01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:49,900 guys sorry that we lost the show anyway that person that got killed at the end she's not really dead 717 01:20:49,900 --> 01:20:58,020 yeah and aliens show turns out it was all aliens you can go to my website learn more yeah i uh listened 718 01:20:58,020 --> 01:21:03,900 to the silo book series because it's finished yeah and i didn't want to wait for season three of silo to 719 01:21:03,900 --> 01:21:09,560 come out to hear the rest of the story so i listened to the audiobooks oh my gosh so now you get to pick 720 01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:14,740 apart silo and say hey they changed that they and they did they changed some stuff we'll see what 721 01:21:14,740 --> 01:21:21,900 happens we'll see what happens from here on out but um and now i'm listening to the three body problem 722 01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:28,720 because the first season of that came out which was amazing show yeah really good i've heard great 723 01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,560 things i've heard great things about the book i'm too short attention span to actually read a book 724 01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:37,120 anymore i have lucky if i could read a comic yeah i listen to it while i'm doing dishes or whatever 725 01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:44,980 um but i i just i have trouble with that one because it was written by a chinese author uh-huh and 726 01:21:44,980 --> 01:21:53,080 all the characters have chinese names and i like listening to them i have trouble keeping keeping it 727 01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:58,760 straight like who's talking because their names are similar to me so conceptually it's not hard to 728 01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,580 keep up with because i remember hearing that that oh this is one of those books that's unfilmable 729 01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:12,160 um i i have a lot of interest in high concept science fiction like the really like high concept 730 01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:17,500 stuff so i'm not having trouble keeping up with it but i can see how somebody who is not normally into 731 01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:23,380 that might have trouble keeping up with it the show does a really good job of visualizing everything 732 01:22:23,380 --> 01:22:31,780 um but the book if you don't have a i don't have a background in science but i'm very interested in 733 01:22:31,780 --> 01:22:38,400 like quantum theory and stuff like that so i've watched a lot of videos so i don't know it's i i you 734 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:45,520 might try it but the show is excellent okay it's really good but uh i think our pizza is here so 735 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:52,700 oh i forgot about that yeah oh my gosh pizza's getting cold man i hope not normally they're kind of late 736 01:22:52,700 --> 01:23:01,360 we had it aimed at 7 15 7 30 like five but uh oh lord well i guess we can wrap this up for everyone 737 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:07,080 listening and interested uh follow me on the socials uh at Kyle aber on instagram and twitter 738 01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:14,940 uh you'll see a lot of uh discussion on the ai strike or rather the video game strike it's about the video 739 01:23:14,940 --> 01:23:21,560 game contracts but the concept of ai and why it's hurtful to all professions in the entertainment industry 740 01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:28,300 and um if you believe in supporting the cause make your voice heard and hopefully we'll see some 741 01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:35,560 real progress that uh protects everyone's jobs yeah yeah when you hear something that is using 742 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,780 something you know mainstream that's using ai go go be like hey i wish y'all didn't do that 743 01:23:40,780 --> 01:23:46,000 you know don't be mean don't be mean about it but get on get on the social media let them know 744 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:53,620 yeah be like hey we don't like this um yeah uh as always thank you Kyle thanks for coming on 745 01:23:53,620 --> 01:23:59,560 oh my pleasure man episode probably be out probably be out tomorrow um yeah so sweet 746 01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,420 normally pretty good at getting i'm doing the chapters now because i built a tool to do it 747 01:24:03,420 --> 01:24:11,600 so yeah and i will definitely reshare that because yeah the twitter is just lit up right now a lot of 748 01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,980 hate and discourse unfortunately of course that's yeah that's the nature of the beast 749 01:24:15,980 --> 01:24:21,160 good comes with bad yeah a lot of less a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about 750 01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:26,820 unions and you know oh you're being mean to the voice actors who are non-union it's like 751 01:24:26,820 --> 01:24:36,500 i'm not i'm trying to help them trying to help man but everybody thank you for for listening we 752 01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:40,920 definitely appreciate it uh we are working on a video version of the show it's not going to show our 753 01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:50,740 faces uh because i'm ugly and uh so am i we're going to have our chapters as the video uh built a 754 01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:56,980 neat tool for that that's coming up soon i gotta learn how to work youtube and uh yeah we'll see y'all 755 01:24:56,980 --> 01:25:02,660 next week ish we don't promise any particular release day yeah we're smarter than that now 756 01:25:02,660 --> 01:25:05,900 bye everybody bye bye Kyle 757 01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:06,700 bye 758 01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:07,620 bye 759 01:25:07,620 --> 01:25:07,680 bye 760 01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,600 bye 761 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:15,060 bye 762 01:25:22,460 --> 01:25:22,820 bye 763 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:24,520 bye 764 01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,480 bye 765 01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:32,900 bye 766 01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:33,760 bye 767 01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:34,540 bye 768 01:25:34,540 --> 01:25:34,580 bye 769 01:25:34,580 --> 01:25:34,840 bye 770 01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:35,640 bye