1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,780 welcome welcome welcome welcome to to to everything's an argument i'm your host 2 00:00:11,780 --> 00:00:16,600 Medus and my shadow echo is 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,220 echo came before the word 4 00:00:21,220 --> 00:00:27,660 we're a show where we talk about things yeah oh uh that's one of the little tricks i used to use 5 00:00:27,660 --> 00:00:34,800 when i was doing like creepy voices tricks and the uh audio audio drama i used to do meet us pod 6 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:40,880 geez you cut that intro off really quickly i hated that oh i'm sorry yeah do we are we starting it 7 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:47,660 again all right we're still talking that's cool in the intro uh i used to use that as a i'm just 8 00:00:47,660 --> 00:00:51,660 gonna get back into the mode here used to use that as a trick i would i would take something 9 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:57,220 that's needed to sound creepy and then i would reverse it and i would add echo while it was 10 00:00:57,220 --> 00:01:05,500 reversed and then flip it back and it would do this really neat uh effect where the you could 11 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:11,480 hear the word and starting before it started it was really neat yeah the common little trick used 12 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:18,000 in in audio editing cool but uh yeah so we're a show we do we talk about stuff stuff that makes you 13 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,740 think that makes us think stuff that make us mad and we want to argue about it we come from different 14 00:01:22,740 --> 00:01:27,640 backgrounds and we want to hear each other's opinions well i kind of came from his background 15 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:34,760 but he also came from a different background so it'd be okay uh i'm just a lot older than you i think 16 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:41,160 is yeah nothing's really happened in our life since last time we recorded no no we normally don't hear 17 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:46,420 but we didn't really do anything not my wrist really hurts because i i twisted or something yeah you 18 00:01:46,420 --> 00:01:51,040 i think you probably slept on it wrong or something well it happens it's been like this for like three 19 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,080 days i don't think it's like oh yeah that's true that's true who knows maybe you got the carpet 20 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:00,720 carpet tunnels no but we'll figure it out i pulled something like my pinky and carpal tunnel is usually 21 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,660 in your first four fingers yeah so you got this like big huge wrist strap on it and it's hilarious 22 00:02:04,660 --> 00:02:09,220 i do it's funny people are always like what happened to your arm i'm like i don't know i don't know 23 00:02:09,220 --> 00:02:12,940 and they're like what do you mean you don't know and i'm like i don't know it could have been one of 24 00:02:12,940 --> 00:02:17,240 nine different things i have a very interesting life i do actually 25 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:24,740 so many injuries so valley for valley for this episode yeah yeah skip the life update nothing 26 00:02:24,740 --> 00:02:29,740 going on yeah i watched a bunch of crappy movies this week um so we're we're a value for value 27 00:02:29,740 --> 00:02:35,320 podcast that means we put the show up for free hopefully somebody out there is getting some value 28 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:40,140 out of it and if you are getting value out of it it'd be nice to send some back it'd be really cool 29 00:02:40,140 --> 00:02:44,800 really cool yeah it'd be so awesome you can do that by just telling people about the show so cool 30 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,840 posting it on your socials like christopher battles does for us he's kind of our unofficial uh 31 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:56,740 yeah social media guy because i'm terrible at marketing yes oh i love marketing then you need 32 00:02:56,740 --> 00:03:03,320 to be our marketing no i failed my social media marketing test for my certification i would have 33 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,700 had a certification right now in social media marketing you can get that on for free on google 34 00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:13,480 that's what i was doing well then we did it for free on google oh my gosh and i failed because i didn't 35 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:19,280 read it and i was like that'd be fine i i know what guy that used chad gpt for and got a 70 and 36 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:25,140 he got the certification so at least i didn't do that so uh some folks like to help us out with cash 37 00:03:25,140 --> 00:03:32,600 money or uh or fiat money because you know i think of cash money as like bitcoin fiat money is what the 38 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,940 us dollar is they tell you it's worth something so it's worth something like gold is not fiat because 39 00:03:37,940 --> 00:03:42,200 it actually has a physical i hate that word stop on that please you don't like no i don't no you don't 40 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:47,100 that's the kind of car that you 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watch it i watched it last year too so why don't you why don't you talk 79 00:07:39,180 --> 00:07:42,820 about a little bit because you're more into what i am yeah i'm not really into it because of costumes 80 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:47,860 i'm just really into fashion not really designer fashion which is mainly what this is but i really 81 00:07:47,860 --> 00:07:54,720 am into the artistry aspect of it i'm really into fine arts and fashion can be considered a fine art 82 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,560 if you look at the fashion designing aspect and the marketing aspect it's just all super cool so i 83 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,120 watched the met gala because we're watching some youtube video and dad was like oh speaking of which 84 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:09,220 the met gala's on and i'm like what what he said it like in the middle of it too so i had to rewind 85 00:08:09,220 --> 00:08:14,220 the entire thing didn't get to watch it live everyone looked super good the theme for this 86 00:08:14,220 --> 00:08:23,940 year was tailored for you and it's kind of just a theme of fancy suits like come on man i already have 87 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:32,960 have a qualm with most of the guys at the met gala only wearing bland suits any color bland suits 88 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:40,080 and like i can't remember which one it is was this year but he was wearing a really bland outfit and 89 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:45,720 he turns around he's got a brooch on the back and i'm like dude that's it that's what you're proud of 90 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:51,600 that's really lame it's like i just pulled a suit out of the closet but i'm going to the met gala so 91 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,660 i gotta do something um what do we got what do we get oh oh oh oh give me one of your brooches 92 00:08:55,660 --> 00:09:03,620 yeah the all of the people at the met gala this year looked good they all looked dapper 93 00:09:03,620 --> 00:09:09,120 other than like a few people there was a few that weren't yeah but they were going for ultra avant-garde 94 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:17,500 trying to look weird um zendaya wear a big hat like she does she's got a thinking cap on let it let her 95 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:28,700 rihanna is pregnant again nice and the what's it called the exhibit for this year was exhibit 96 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:37,300 a no tailoring black style it's a very i looked at some of the works in it and it looks really cool 97 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:42,760 it's oh okay i didn't see those those are yeah aren't they because this is the part we don't see 98 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:48,500 on like the stream it's what's actually in the metropolitan museum for people to come look at 99 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:54,760 because i haven't do a new i do new different exhibit every year and the met gala is a fundraiser 100 00:09:54,760 --> 00:10:03,380 for that exhibit so it's all really fancy suits and i love it i saw i saw a few outfits on there 101 00:10:03,380 --> 00:10:09,560 that were really cool looking yeah i do recommend not for practical everyday wear but yeah just like 102 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:14,160 the art art the lines and stuff are really cool yeah i do recommend going to the website the vogue 103 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:20,960 website and looking at some of the really pretty outfits this year my favorite was i go 104 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:27,260 wadum wadum i have no idea i think that's how i think that's how the pronunciation guide said 105 00:10:27,260 --> 00:10:33,740 she's one of the people on snl and she did great hosting this year i loved her outfit it was a 106 00:10:33,740 --> 00:10:40,240 fully black except for the buttons and her nails some some of those amazing some of those ladies 107 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:47,460 nails were out of control i was geeking out about it um the the one chick from wicked her fingernails 108 00:10:47,460 --> 00:10:53,920 were like cindy arrivo yeah yeah they were they were freaking me out i loved her top the rest of it 109 00:10:53,920 --> 00:11:00,280 was okay yeah the the jewel work on on her uh blouse is that what it's called jacket whatever whatever 110 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:06,740 it was um yeah it was really cool looking the geometry of it was really there's one i forgot 111 00:11:06,740 --> 00:11:13,880 her name but she was wearing a fully red leather like outfit with like puffy sleeves the top and like a 112 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:20,980 a bustle and a really big hat it looked really good on her i'll have to go find you have to find her name 113 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:27,840 was hold on i can keep talking while i'm looking for it okay well while you're talking about that although 114 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,700 i do have a qualm because you know how i said like oh men always wear like a bland suit man it 115 00:11:32,700 --> 00:11:38,500 was that this time but with the women too yeah come on man women were wearing dude suits and just 116 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:43,900 boring ones like nothing like crazy there was one dude who had a suit on and he had a whole bunch of 117 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:49,820 pocket watches yo yeah i remember that and nobody asked him for the time nobody not a single person 118 00:11:49,820 --> 00:11:53,940 ask this man for the time and he would you know he was ready for it he's like do you want to know 119 00:11:53,940 --> 00:12:03,160 what time it is here or in tokyo also echo no no uh no what yeah echo echo waffle echo waffle 120 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:08,500 she looked very happy to be there yeah she did she did seem happy to be there 121 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:12,920 so i'm a guy named dapper dan that was there that's funny i love that but the 122 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:20,160 the the pomp and and pretentiousness of it all turns me off on it but i do like looking great at 123 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,800 some of the outfits there's a lot of pink this year i quite enjoyed the pink i didn't expect that 124 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:32,100 there was so i think we'll move off of the met gala now yes i think that's all it really is to be 125 00:12:32,100 --> 00:12:39,220 said without being mean to people um because there was there was some real oh the one thing diana ross 126 00:12:39,220 --> 00:12:46,960 took up the entire stairwell with just the train to her uh to her outfit you were so mad about it just 127 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:53,720 it was so mad about it i didn't care it is not an outfit if you can't it's not an outfit though 128 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,840 it's not supposed to be an outfit look at andre it's not supposed to be an outfit andre 3000 129 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:04,260 was carrying an entire grand piano on his back and he could move on his own and a garbage bag 130 00:13:04,260 --> 00:13:12,480 i thought that was silly loved that uh that's andre 3000 it's just the i know it's for the art of it 131 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:18,960 i understand it's art i understand it is not an outfit so speaking of art getting canceled all 132 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:25,600 right art is canceled no that doesn't that doesn't flow so what i want to talk about this week and 133 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:31,000 it's a it's a david heavy episode this time we had a leela heavy episode last time uh i want to talk 134 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,820 about getting canceled oh my gosh okay from now on if i write stuff at the bottom it's for after the 135 00:13:36,820 --> 00:13:44,500 show because i have a story for this okay oh my god continue so i'll i'll leave anything at the 136 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:51,200 very bottom i'll leave it um yeah leave it don't i won't know why did you what no no no no no no okay 137 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:56,680 not like last time you're like why why did you write 420 at the bottom oh my gosh it was a silly 138 00:13:56,680 --> 00:14:02,240 joke it was a silly joke i didn't want to say it on the podcast so um might be a little bit offensive 139 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:11,000 so not the way you think though no no it was fine um getting canceled saying offensive things and 140 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:17,900 getting canceled is big in the news this week uh so if you're if you're and always yeah i mean yeah 141 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:24,180 it's it's it's always in there but everybody right now is saying that cancel culture is over oh it's so 142 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:31,860 over um it's done in fact we have canceled cancel culture because i've not heard a single person say 143 00:14:31,860 --> 00:14:40,300 that i have cool there um is it there was an incident where a lady at a park i'm sure you've 144 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:48,680 heard of it uh said an extremely offensive thing to a small child and was and then somebody approached 145 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:55,060 her about it and it was it became this whole thing and now she's receiving i think she's over 146 00:14:55,060 --> 00:15:00,200 seven hundred thousand dollars worth of donations on gifts and go now um and then like go fund me 147 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,320 right it's like a go fund me uh that i didn't know mom didn't he was spewing all the stuff about 148 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,840 this situation and me and mom were looking at each other like what's give send go what's give send go 149 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:16,500 um saying that to each other we were like i don't know so eventually when you were done with your rant 150 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:21,900 we were like what what is that it's like it's like go fund me it's a donation see we just have our 151 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:27,720 own donation page we didn't we don't go through all this stuff um anyway what they're saying is that 152 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:33,080 you know people try and cancel other people for saying things that they don't like or having 153 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:38,500 opinions that they don't like but now obviously there's a whole bunch of people who are willing 154 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:44,900 to give money to this woman to keep her from worrying about being canceled and losing her job 155 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:50,780 and being unemployable because she said something offensive um and there's there's all this there's a 156 00:15:50,780 --> 00:15:55,540 lot of arguments online about it you can you can't throw a rock on twitter and not hear about this 157 00:15:55,540 --> 00:16:02,440 this story right now uh and it's a mess but that got me thinking about just cancel culture in general 158 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:09,320 and how just wanted to give our you know our thoughts on it i wanted to hear how you thought 159 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:15,700 about it but after i talked for a little bit more about it um so i'm gathering my my counter argument 160 00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:24,240 as you're speaking right it my my thing about when something is offensive or something is something 161 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:35,000 that i don't like i just tune out i just block that like on on x for example you can block words 162 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:44,320 so like i i put in taylor swift because now i don't see anything that has the words taylor and swift 163 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:51,300 after each other in that order i don't see it on x it blocks it and you can do that with anything 164 00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:56,320 so if you don't like a certain topic you can block it you can not watch it it used to be on tv you 165 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,080 just change the channel unless of course the president was on and then there was nothing else 166 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,680 to watch because he was on all the stations so unless you wanted to pop in a vhs tape and watch 167 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:12,560 one of your movies that you recorded off the tv um like that one girl oh yeah we can talk about that 168 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:18,580 yeah in a little bit if we remember um but yeah so i've always just been of the you don't like it 169 00:17:18,580 --> 00:17:25,600 don't watch it um if you don't like what this person's saying block them or mute them uh don't 170 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:31,300 give them engagement because if you okay i have an opinion on that okay so what's your opinion okay 171 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:39,120 so if someone's doing something objectively bad and you know if okay if someone's doing something and 172 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:46,040 you don't like it like you think it's it's cringe or you think it's something that like you're not 173 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,460 into but some people might be it's okay to just block someone or to say i don't like this content 174 00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:55,660 please don't show me it like that's kind of how i am with a couple of youtubers we were just talking 175 00:17:55,660 --> 00:17:59,340 about this before the show but there's this youtuber named i show speed that i do not like 176 00:17:59,340 --> 00:18:07,060 with anything in my heart yeah he's just not he's not a great guy and he's really annoying so 177 00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:11,980 hey i show speed if you're listening to this come on the show come on the show i have a lot to say 178 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:17,920 to you but i've obviously been like i don't like this guy's content please don't throw me at youtube 179 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:25,900 and i man other people can watch him i really don't care as long as you're not like acting like 180 00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:32,020 him then i would care because he's kind of annoying but i really don't care at past that point but if 181 00:18:32,020 --> 00:18:37,500 someone's doing something bad and you're just blocking them and you're not doing anything about it 182 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:43,000 that's where i have a problem well one of the problems with doing something about it if you're 183 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,740 not physically in the real world doing something about it you're not doing anything about it 184 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:54,100 because are you sure i'm sure they're just let's for a couple for example okay for example um i say 185 00:18:54,100 --> 00:19:00,740 something that you feel like is harmful for me to say right it's really shouldn't be being said 186 00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:06,860 uh either it's an opinion or a call to whatever it is right and let's say you've got a bigger platform 187 00:19:06,860 --> 00:19:14,860 than me by showing people that i exist by calling me out you're boosting my platform 188 00:19:14,860 --> 00:19:25,340 and you're getting my voice heard by more people and it's a um negative attention attention exactly 189 00:19:25,340 --> 00:19:31,000 and attention is the currency of the internet yes but i'm not saying giving them attention i'm saying 190 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:37,460 doing something about what they're saying and of course i'm not going to be like oh go in their 191 00:19:37,460 --> 00:19:40,980 comment section and attack them you know because that gives them that gives them attention and that 192 00:19:40,980 --> 00:19:48,680 gives them something to engagement what sorry yeah i know i sorry i lost my train of thought 193 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:54,700 because you said that sorry well i lost the sentence i was saying that's fine so what 194 00:19:54,700 --> 00:20:00,640 loud like i've got a bullet point here loudly calling somebody out gives them free attention 195 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:09,920 um and that attention gets them more followers and as we know from the the value for value that we 196 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,880 receive the more people that are listening the more chances you have of somebody supporting you 197 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:22,240 financially right so getting boosted in any way the more you get boosted the more you're likely to 198 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:27,720 find someone that has an opinion that that they agree with you what am i talking about yeah no 199 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:33,860 that's exactly right that's exactly right it's like if you're a if you're a nazi and you're on 200 00:20:33,860 --> 00:20:38,160 the internet and someone's like man i don't like this i hate nazis in your comment section 201 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:45,340 that gives you more engagement which recommends you to more people therefore finding more nazis 202 00:20:45,340 --> 00:20:49,900 to interact with your content and be like i like this i'm a nazi too don't take that out of content 203 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:56,180 no no no okay hopefully that was close enough to me saying that to where it doesn't get clipped 204 00:20:56,180 --> 00:21:03,660 out of context um i'm 15 don't trust anything i say yes this is all for entertainment purposes 205 00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:06,100 this is all for entertainment purposes none of this is real characters right now we're playing 206 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:14,640 characters i'm my name is not lila i i gave you my deepest darkest secret oh no oh no okay no i i'm 207 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:21,000 with you no i see what you're saying and like the problem is is you want to be like oh my gosh i 208 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,100 can't believe this person who all these people are following and liking and sending money to and 209 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:31,040 buying their merch which is i i don't like that most of these people probably don't even know what's 210 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:37,420 going on and how bad of a person this is yes okay yeah yeah yeah yeah so like yeah for let's let's 211 00:21:37,420 --> 00:21:43,400 say for example um clown mouse oh my gosh he's still up our mascot up here in the studio clown 212 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:50,220 mouse uh does something extremely bad right but he's got 100 million followers as clown mouse does 213 00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:56,380 uh clown mouse does something terrible but the people that watch clown mouse only watch clown mouse 214 00:21:56,380 --> 00:22:03,320 they don't watch other content creators talk about the bad thing that clown mouse does they only watch 215 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,580 so if he never mentions it on his show and clown mouse never does an apology video with a ukulele 216 00:22:08,580 --> 00:22:17,640 and a dog and a dog then we their people don't know the drama and the whatever horrible thing that they 217 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:26,880 did but they're getting new people going to to listen out of curiosity and let's say only 100 one in 100 218 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,680 people that you send to them actually likes their stuff you're still sending them more people 219 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:37,940 which is why you don't want to if someone's objectively a bad person you don't want to 220 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:43,600 tell a bunch of people hey go look at this this is really bad right like like that's kind of what 221 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,420 they did with like the whole uh uh ukulele girl situation i don't i don't want to say her name i feel 222 00:22:48,420 --> 00:22:56,940 like i'm gonna conjure her uh it was like beetlejuice uh they were like making a bunch of videos about her 223 00:22:56,940 --> 00:23:00,880 being like oh look what this girl did you should go watch this video it's really funny and like 224 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:06,000 man you don't have to say that you're giving her clicks you're giving her clicks you know what she 225 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:11,300 did you know how she responded that's how you should end it and you should just leave it at that 226 00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:19,140 you don't have to respect her you don't have to go show her a dislike i think it would it would behoove 227 00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:29,940 the platforms to have a button saying uh please do not uh give any monetization or algorithm boost 228 00:23:29,940 --> 00:23:35,360 because i viewed this video needs to be a button like i do not support this button so you can still 229 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:40,200 watch something use an ad blocker without uh well no but there's it doesn't matter because it still 230 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:46,660 counts as engagement just just you watching it and watch time the algorithm on youtube through lots and 231 00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:51,860 lots of research that a lot of people have done it pretty much all boils down to watch time that's 232 00:23:51,860 --> 00:23:57,640 why marvel when they recently did the cast announcement for avengers doomsday they made 233 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:05,720 it a five hour long video it was the camera slowly panning across the actors names and it took five 234 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:12,120 hours to get across because of how slowly the camera was moving because they know that cumulative 235 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:18,440 watch time is what pushes you up in the algorithm so they were like hey we're gonna get 236 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:24,400 20 000 people watching for five hours that's a lot of watch time algorithms one day yeah we're gonna 237 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,020 make a whole episode about this yeah we need to research on that one though we need to actually dig in 238 00:24:28,020 --> 00:24:34,360 instead of just uh making bullet points man i like bullet points i can talk i talk better with 239 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:39,520 bullet points than i do like write a script i'll see if i can get somebody who one of the people 240 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,600 that i've seen do a lot of um research into algorithms see if i can get them on the show 241 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:50,220 to talk about it who's done a lot of the work um yeah that sounds like a great idea so i looked up 242 00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:57,400 uh people who have been canceled but then it backfired and gave them more or you know whatever 243 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:05,900 uh jk rowling is one of them uh she that's the author of the of the harry potter books if you're not 244 00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:11,440 familiar faced backlash on her views on gender but attempts to cancel her boosted her book sales 245 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:18,940 and rallied free speech supporters landing her multi-million dollar deals um dave chappelle 246 00:25:18,940 --> 00:25:24,320 he had uh some some jokes that were supposed to be cancelable make them get canceled 247 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:32,400 uh but it didn't and netflix ended up giving him more specials because of how popular it got 248 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,700 because everybody was so outraged about it people like oh man everybody's mad i better go watch this 249 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:42,400 thing go see what it's like why are people so mad um not going to talk about r kelly 250 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,000 please don't 251 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:53,640 um let's see who else uh jeffrey star i've heard that name before uh but the name came up when i was 252 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:59,240 looking through the the list of people oh my gosh yeah so sorry do you know about jeffrey star 253 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,120 situation no but i have something to add to this the end of it okay so jeffrey star repeat repeated 254 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:11,660 cancellations for apparently racist comments but each controversy grew his cosmetics line 255 00:26:11,660 --> 00:26:16,580 and youtube every time he would have controversy he would get more people buying his products 256 00:26:16,580 --> 00:26:22,980 and more people following on youtube so another person in the what's it called cosmetic 257 00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:29,600 youtube uh-huh a guy named james charles he was canceled like seven times and he just kept coming 258 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,200 back being like i'm sorry i won't do it again like like every time and he kept doing it what were the 259 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:43,040 cancellations cancellations were about um like really bad stuff like grooming minors whoa yeah exactly 260 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:49,040 like three times like more than once he came back and was like i'm so sorry i won't do this again 261 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,400 i'm drawing this butterfly on my face doing this whole butterfly makeup routine as a form of 262 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:59,740 like how i'm showing i'm gonna be reborn and i'm gonna do so good yeah like it was that bad get why 263 00:26:59,740 --> 00:27:04,200 i don't know why people give so many passes to people like you look at like chris brown 264 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:10,960 um had you know the domestic abuse allegations and everything and i don't know if you ever saw the 265 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:17,300 pictures of rihanna i've not but i have heard of the the allegations yeah i'm i'm not saying 266 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:21,340 allegations as if they're not true i'm saying yeah i don't know if he was convicted i'm pretty 267 00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:27,140 sure he was but i could be wrong about that don't sue me um every time i say allegations on the show 268 00:27:27,140 --> 00:27:34,000 i'm assuming that they are true but i'm also but we don't want to get yeah we don't want to catch a 269 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:43,160 defamation suit or slander or whatever it is uh okay another one was goya foods oh uh goya makes a lot 270 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:50,560 of different canned goods i believe um like black beans and stuff like that thank you um the ceo robert 271 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:59,200 you knew you nanu good enough okay praised trump which you know you can't do that uh boycott call 272 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:05,440 boycott calls erupted oh my gosh we're talking about that in a second conservatives are rallied 273 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:13,520 with a boycott instead of a boycott so they were buying goya's food and goya sales went up a lot 274 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:20,580 so that was a direct result of some people saying don't buy goya's like we were gonna buy goya so like 275 00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:28,740 you're just hoping as goya you're gonna get more new people than you lost from people boycotting you 276 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:37,680 so trump as the pope people yes people are talking okay so the white house what was it twitter page 277 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:44,740 it was not the white house it was his truth thought social i believe okay reposted this image i don't 278 00:28:44,740 --> 00:28:54,460 know if they posted it originally or if they reposted it of a ai generated photo of donald r j r reynolds 279 00:28:54,460 --> 00:29:01,320 j trump don't know what his middle name is don't really care donald robert downey jr trump yeah 280 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:10,520 donald rfk trump good enough okay uh him as the pope after the pope had died 281 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:20,220 now what i found found not funny he was goofing around he was goofing around but still the pope 282 00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:28,600 sadly passed away like a couple hours after jd vance came to visit him in his in in the place 283 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,960 where the pope is i don't know where it is the vatican vatican yeah and he basically 284 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:43,380 it was it was a whole situation it was a lot we there's a lot going on there's all these conspiracy 285 00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:51,280 theories that it was jd that done it i saw i saw a post somewhere i can't remember and it was like 286 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,980 man no wonder and it was someone that looked up like what's jd vance's name and it was like just 287 00:29:56,980 --> 00:30:05,580 killed the pope like man why didn't we notice this earlier oh my gosh but no i don't i don't think no 288 00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:11,340 i think the pope was on his way out anyway it's just really funny like a couple hours after but the 289 00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:15,580 controversy is that people are just like oh he's trying to say that he you know he's the pope and 290 00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:21,400 also there was the whole trump gaza number one thing what was that you didn't know no no i dude 291 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,380 i told you about that what did what was it oh my gosh let me look it up let me look it up on my 292 00:30:26,380 --> 00:30:31,000 okay so because i can't connect my blue there's a lot of catholic people very upset about it um 293 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,820 and then there's a lot of people who are just like it was just a joke it was maybe in poor taste but 294 00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:42,200 when we're talking about taste i mean it's trump you know donald trump shares bizarre ai generated 295 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:49,220 video of trump gaza in quotes oh yeah you should look it up it's yeah trump trump 296 00:30:49,220 --> 00:30:58,100 yeah that was old actually that's yeah i know it's two months old um oh my gosh it feels very much 297 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:01,980 longer than that yes it was only two months this year has lasted six years already it's only may 298 00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:08,360 um craziness oh no it was a ai man oh no my screen went black oh my gosh can't see i can't see 299 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:14,440 there we go i can't see um and then of course every time anybody tries to cancel joe rogan it backfires 300 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:20,140 so those are just and then there's like i mean there's a classic example like the uh what's it 301 00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:25,960 called the streisand effect are you familiar with that so barbara streisand did not want 302 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:32,380 like somebody put took some pictures of her new house like on the beach or whatever and was going 303 00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:39,640 to publish them or did publish them and barbara streisand made a big huge stink about hey nobody uh 304 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,860 nobody needs to post these pictures anywhere share these pictures around on newspapers or anything 305 00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:48,580 like that don't do it don't do it and she made such a big stink about it everybody was like what are you 306 00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:53,200 talking about oh i'm gonna check this out and the picture went went crazy everybody knew about it 307 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:59,820 so it backfired and since then it's called the streisand effect um it's kind of like that uh 308 00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:03,620 beyonce wanted those pictures deleted off the internet of her at a concert looking horrible 309 00:32:03,620 --> 00:32:08,200 just because the timing of the picture you know when you're like dancing and singing and stuff 310 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,460 like sometimes your face makes weird faces and uh she didn't like the way that she looked in the 311 00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:17,780 picture she's like delete those off the internet and everybody was like that's not how the internet 312 00:32:17,780 --> 00:32:24,920 works there's no very few things can get deleted off the internet and you're not able to find them 313 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:32,960 um there is a couple incidents of people recovering from cancellation very quickly that i want to talk 314 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,020 about i would go for it because i'm i'm done my list is over yeah i saw that as i was doing this 315 00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:44,380 like pewdiepie he had the whole bridge incident you can look that up on your own he said something 316 00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:52,540 on stream and it wasn't very favorable and everyone was like oh no so he got he got he got big cancel 317 00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:58,460 he got the cancel hammer was it a racial slur was it the racial slur yeah i think i heard about that 318 00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:05,340 yeah i don't know if he said it multiple times but definitely did say it one time and he still has a 319 00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:12,600 huge following but he did recently kind of take a hiatus from the internet definitely which good for him 320 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:21,800 he did uh come back recently and he is praising linux now he's very pro linux and uh that's really 321 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:27,020 good because if that gets a bunch of young people interested in linux great that's that's just good 322 00:33:27,020 --> 00:33:32,980 because a lot of those young people are gonna learn to code and help out with the open sourceness of it 323 00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:42,180 and make it better that's always good yeah um another guy logan paul logan paul okay so is that the 324 00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:48,700 one that box tyson uh no that's jake paul that's his brother jake i have a lot of trouble keeping up 325 00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:55,480 with them because i don't yeah okay so i know i know i know i know me too i had a big trouble with 326 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,780 do you know what logan paul did to get canceled uh is he the one that went to the suicide forest in 327 00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:10,800 japan yes okay he went there and he i'm assuming accidentally filmed something that he should not 328 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:17,200 have and then made some unfavorable comments about it was it like was there somebody hanging in the 329 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,840 tree or yes that was okay and he made jokes about it and then uploaded it to youtube as part of a blog 330 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,960 yeah and then he came back i have made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgment and i do not 331 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,600 expect to be forgiven i am only here to apologize that was the first line he had his dog there he 332 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:42,080 was bawling uh and then he just kind of everyone forgot about it somehow yeah people and then he 333 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:50,220 made a whole brand with ksi and like what okay so there's people get invested in the people that they 334 00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:58,200 listen to or um are entertained by and they're like okay so i'm like oh you know oh i like i like 335 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,920 bruce willis i like a lot of bruce willis movies and and all that right i'm like oh yeah i'm a big fan 336 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:10,120 of bruce willis i'm a big fan and when you do that you slowly start to make it part of your identity 337 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:17,220 and if you're a big logan paul fan and you've bought his merch and you've spent money on him 338 00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:22,940 he makes a mistake but you're a fan right he's kind of your friend it's a one-way friendship 339 00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:28,780 obviously but parasocial relationship that's another topic we have for another day yeah um 340 00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:32,800 you get your parasocial relationship going with somebody they become a part of your identity 341 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,720 you don't want to you're kind of like a you're kind of like i can't forgive you you know you did 342 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:42,640 you did something wrong but it's okay because you've entertained me a lot you've blah blah blah 343 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,020 but i don't know i don't i don't 344 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:52,640 i guess i don't know i don't even know how to think about it because it's like that person is 345 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,840 just out there making making stuff for you to enjoy whether they're doing it strictly for the 346 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:08,060 money and the fame or other reasons you it depends on what it is now if he wasn't making fun of like 347 00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:14,900 if he was out there just filming and he happened to get a dead body in the shot it would be different 348 00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:19,140 i didn't know that he like was joking about it and making fun of it and stuff yeah that's different 349 00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:26,560 see that's intentional his yes his script for his apology was actually one of the best i've seen 350 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:33,960 but the way that he acted during the video and after just kind of put me off of his content you 351 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,440 know i never really watched him but i definitely am not going to after this all happened we didn't 352 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,460 let around when that was happening you weren't we weren't letting you watch a lot of stuff on the 353 00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:48,920 internet anyway yeah so uh he said i want to apologize to the internet i want to apologize to 354 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,300 everyone who's seen the video i want to apologize to everyone who has been affected or touched by 355 00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:56,400 mental illness or depression or suicide but most importantly i want to apologize to the victim and 356 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,620 his family for my fans who are defending my actions please don't they do not deserve to be 357 00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:05,060 defended the goal with my content is always to entertain push boundaries to be all-inclusive 358 00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:09,440 in the world i live in i share almost everything i do the intent is to never be heartless cruel or 359 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,760 malicious like i said i've made a huge mistake i do not expect to be forgiven i'm just here to 360 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,560 apologize i'm ashamed of myself i'm disappointed in myself and i promise to do better i will be 361 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:23,580 better thank you that was like half of his video right and hopefully he meant it and hopefully he 362 00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:29,380 hasn't done anything like that before again and people make mistakes yeah and i mean and he said 363 00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:33,380 he didn't know how to feel and he should not have posted the video push it put the cameras down 364 00:37:33,380 --> 00:37:38,760 and stop recording so at least he is taking accountability for it yeah and he's not being 365 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,540 like oh that thing that happened i'm sorry about that and just not addressing what he did you know 366 00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:48,080 yeah just saying i'm a big old piece of crap which is basically what he was just saying there i'm a 367 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,060 big old piece of crap for doing that um but you know it's it's tough to know what's in people's hearts 368 00:37:53,060 --> 00:38:00,540 but and this this is i mean doesn't really work for parasocial relationships but in real life 369 00:38:00,540 --> 00:38:09,080 forgiveness is for the forgiver not the forgivee when you forgive somebody it lifts a weight off of 370 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:16,680 your soul i mean i know that that's different for internet personalities and people that have been 371 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,440 canceled and stuff like that but in real life you know when you're dealing with somebody and they 372 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:27,920 wrong you somehow when you forgive them you're forgiving them to yourself for yourself 373 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,820 and they they're going to take the forgiveness how they're going to take it but it's for you 374 00:38:33,820 --> 00:38:42,120 because when you harbor those negative feelings it eats at you so and he definitely did get a bunch 375 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,920 of backlash for this like more than people would think like he got that's a pretty it's a pretty um 376 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,780 bunch of opportunities it's a pretty bad thing that's a pretty bad thing that's pretty up there 377 00:38:51,780 --> 00:39:00,540 um but in since the years he has used his platform for mostly good well good and he's 378 00:39:00,540 --> 00:39:05,740 diversifies his content i hear his his drink is pretty crap i i've heard that i've tasted it before 379 00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:11,640 i hate to say that i've never bought it but i have had a sip of other people's before and i was like 380 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,020 this is pretty good i don't want to say that i do not endorse prime with a prime company 381 00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:24,880 or logan paul or ksi or mr beast even though he's not really part of the prime and he's part of it 382 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,840 if they're all hanging out they're all hanging out with each other they're all working with each 383 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,520 other they have if he's ever talked about it he's part of it because with his platform yes 384 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:38,620 old jimmy's got a lot of viewers yeah oh my gosh wait i think there's there's a podcast episode 385 00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:42,700 that they did or like an interview that they did with each other logan paul ksi and um no it was 386 00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:49,240 just logan paul and jimmy jimmy beast and they both look so awkward with each other like they do 387 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,880 not have matching personalities at all you can definitely tell that it's only a business 388 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:59,660 relationship kind of like you and i yeah right yeah we have no like we don't talk off of the 389 00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:05,660 podcast actually she comes out to the studio once a week with a cookie with a cookie oh my gosh it was 390 00:40:05,660 --> 00:40:10,240 good we got the ghirardelli chocolate chips yeah i like the hershey's ones more i gotta say i kind of 391 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:17,400 do too i gotta say they taste kind of crappier um nice you know it's like it's like sometimes you 392 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,080 don't want chicken like nice homemade chicken tenders you want mcdonald's chicken nuggets 393 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:28,560 because of the nostalgia because of the cheapness because of the artificial um it just tickles your 394 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:37,580 brain a different way um i've got uh yeah my my older brother lives in hawaii and he has the best 395 00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:45,040 sushi places out there like oh my gosh they're so good but when he comes to town he wants to go to 396 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:52,740 the crappy strip mall chinese buffet he like craves that that cheap like i love that badly made been 397 00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:58,740 sitting under the heat lamp for an hour and a half food yeah and he's got you know top-notch 398 00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:05,940 notch world-class restaurants where he's at that he goes to so um i got a quote here from ellie 399 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:13,820 wazelle ellie wazelle the author of night interesting book that we were forced to read in uh high school 400 00:41:13,820 --> 00:41:18,920 don't remember a single thing about the book but pretty cool dude you don't remember anything about 401 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:24,080 that no i read the entire thing and we oh my gosh want two scenes from that book stick out to me 402 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:29,540 there's one scene that i remember was it the pitchfork i don't know it was the one where 403 00:41:29,540 --> 00:41:35,760 they were getting like trampled oh gotcha um the pitchfork sticks out to me and uh that was a pretty 404 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,320 pretty rough scene if you haven't read it you can you know you can look that up on your own honestly 405 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,240 recommend it even though i don't remember much about it i do remember it being kind of entertaining 406 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,940 there's been people who've said that the whole book is you know mostly fiction and there's been a 407 00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:53,540 controversy about it but whatever um even if it was all fiction it was well written and i actually did my 408 00:41:53,540 --> 00:42:03,680 junior writing essay assignment for the state on that book so i um i got the highest score for my 409 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:12,780 old high school in 25 years high school so set the record on that anywho the quote is the opposite of 410 00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:19,260 love is not hate it's indifference i love that quote okay i think about that every day actually i didn't 411 00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:23,040 know you wrote that in here i didn't read well you're not really supposed to read my notes because 412 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,540 i can't surprise you and like i just did that's a great great response so um if you really want to 413 00:42:28,540 --> 00:42:36,380 cancel somebody uh especially if you have a large following like if you have a large loud voice if you 414 00:42:36,380 --> 00:42:43,500 really want to cancel somebody ignore them yeah because if you talk about them you're you're 415 00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:50,960 chancing at backfiring yeah and if there's a certain love to hatred like if you think about 416 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,620 oh i really don't like that guy like i really want something bad to happen to them you know 417 00:42:55,620 --> 00:43:03,000 it's still thinking about that person right and it's like caring about what happens to them 418 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,700 feeds right back into the forgiveness thing yeah if you're harboring hatred that means that you've 419 00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:14,920 got feelings strong feelings in your heart and if they're just a really middle of the line bad guy 420 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:21,160 then you don't really think about that all the time right it's like that's that's i don't want 421 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,500 to worry about that you know like i don't think about logan paul all the time what's that guy got 422 00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:31,060 to do with me well i mean if you think about like like if you really really like somebody or love them 423 00:43:31,060 --> 00:43:36,920 if they're like oh i hate you like there's feelings there and you know they're just saying that 424 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:44,860 um but if they're just like you're nothing to me and they just walk away and never that that hurts 425 00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:54,120 that's a knife in the stomach um but yeah so ignore um and i mean you're also chancing like let's say 426 00:43:54,120 --> 00:44:02,160 it's not something extremely like the person needs to go to jail for right it's just like a way that you 427 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:09,400 disagree with that person you're chancing letting your audience and people that look up to you are 428 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:16,660 like you leaving you because they actually agree with that other person or they actually don't have 429 00:44:16,660 --> 00:44:20,660 a problem with that person did and they're like why are you attacking this person for this small thing 430 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:26,400 you know um you're chancing alienating part of your audience that's why i never understood why 431 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:32,720 celebrities get political exactly you're you're alienating your audience you're losing out on 432 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:41,780 possibly millions of dollars and deals and stuff by saying something one way or the other um you make 433 00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:46,940 one of course you can't you can't really stay out of it anymore there's some artists and celebrities 434 00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:52,480 who've tried to say look i'm just not in politics i don't talk about it i'm not going to anything 435 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,060 and people are like you have a responsibility and then like they'll get quote-unquote canceled 436 00:44:57,060 --> 00:45:02,980 because they yes okay wait i have more about this okay that topic brought me to another person 437 00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:11,660 okay there's this girl that i i i feel indifferent about her name is britney broski she's been around 438 00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:20,600 since vine maybe a little before vine but i know her from vine till now she the whole thing that was 439 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:26,900 happening in palestine and gaza she was like why do i have a responsibility to talk about this on my 440 00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:33,900 platform but previously this is why people were so messed up about it because they were like if if she 441 00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:39,980 had just said that it would have been okay but previously about like a few months later or before 442 00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:46,960 a few months earlier so it wasn't even like a long time ago she had said if you have a platform you 443 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:53,020 should be using that platform to spread good and to spread your opinions and political views which 444 00:45:53,020 --> 00:45:59,260 like not really but i guess if you think that then you should be following your own advice you know 445 00:45:59,260 --> 00:46:05,000 people just got the wrong vibe from that they were like but you said this like a couple days ago 446 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:14,160 right yeah that's we she's just a very iffy person to me to be honest we um we on our old show we 447 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:20,360 stayed as non-political as possible yeah i don't mind delving into things but i also try and keep 448 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:26,980 things as excuse me i try and keep things as middle of the road as possible which is how i try to think 449 00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:32,660 anyway yeah um he does i try really hard not to have not just saying that knee-jerk reactions about 450 00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:38,400 things sometimes i do but i always pull it back and i'll be like are you sure and he's like wait really 451 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:44,140 wait yeah sometimes i need to fader or leela to be like are you having a knee-jerk reaction i'm like i 452 00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:50,080 am having a knee-jerk reaction let me look into this more yeah and then he'll be like my bad so 453 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,920 or he won't be like i still feel this funny example it was one of those 2 30 in the morning 454 00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:00,980 digging around in conspiracy theories uh rabbit holes as you do as a as you do i'll bid a dollar 455 00:47:00,980 --> 00:47:09,560 on that and uh there was there's this device or or monument or there's this shape out in the desert 456 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:17,060 on a military base right and they were talking about the the geometry of the shape blah blah blah 457 00:47:17,060 --> 00:47:23,560 blah causes earthquakes and blah blah blah right and wherever you point whatever if you build one 458 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,260 of these huge monuments whatever the tip of it is pointing at there's going to be earthquakes along 459 00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:33,980 that straight line and i'm like oh wow this is what is going on you know i'm reading all this stuff 460 00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:39,860 trying to figure out its veracity and i'm like phaedra look at this so this says that this thing 461 00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:45,120 can cause blah blah blah i'm explaining it all to her and she's like yeah but they built it on a fault 462 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:50,780 line and i'm like oh hold on i looked up the phone i was like they did build it on a fault exactly 463 00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:57,520 come on man it was 2 30 in the morning and i was going down a rabbit hole i could tell maybe that hole 464 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:03,360 should be a fault that that hole should have been my bed it should have been should have been sleeping 465 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:09,420 because you know how it is google maps or google earth put the phone down at three o'clock in the 466 00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:12,820 morning this is for my safety and you're just scrolling around looking at stuff and you're like 467 00:48:12,820 --> 00:48:18,400 oh what is that that kind of looks like a dog okay i gotta go to bed exactly that is a dog the size 468 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,180 of a state nope nope i just gotta go to sleep that's all it is um that's ai 469 00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:30,860 but one of the one of the big problems with the cancel culture and with the people getting so 470 00:48:30,860 --> 00:48:38,000 called call out culture this is what i prefer to call out culture um i hate cancel culture well 471 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:45,160 okay and there's a little rant for me to go on um go ahead people having to change words because 472 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:50,360 they feel like something's getting uh overused or whatever even though it's the best term for it 473 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,680 yeah i'm not even necessarily in this overly negative well i mean not even necessarily in 474 00:48:54,680 --> 00:49:00,160 this instance yeah i'm just talking about like cool is a perfectly good word you can use the word oh 475 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,500 that's cool you know but they always have to come up with some new word i like saying different 476 00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:11,360 variations to be the same thing yeah i'm not against that comedy you can do a lot with just using a 477 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:18,120 synonym for something awesome sauce oh no say that one more often no radical i hate say that one 478 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:24,300 more i hate awesome sauce and i hate cool beans i don't know where those two came from i don't like 479 00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:36,700 i have a lot of words to say y'all or guys do you want me to list them off fellas fellas 480 00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:43,680 that's sure that's what i got something all right go ahead a lot of them are variations of gang so 481 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:57,260 what's up gang gangalang gangalicious uh pals bros bras uh friend friendos 482 00:49:57,260 --> 00:50:06,740 uh what's up nerds nerds losers i say losers a lot my friends realize that it's just a thing that 483 00:50:06,740 --> 00:50:17,100 i say and i don't mean it thank goodness uh i think that's about it guys loser was for a little while 484 00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:25,720 if you called somebody a loser it was a very deep insult because like what like oh wow you're just a 485 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:29,560 loser and if you're saying it in jest it just kind of hit a little hard there for a little while just 486 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,600 certain you know certain words are like more offensive at certain times just because of i 487 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,820 don't know how they're used in a movie or something or whatever you know what i mean loser was a you 488 00:50:37,820 --> 00:50:42,340 really didn't say it to people for a couple of years there it might just been a local thing with 489 00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:50,120 my friends i don't know but um i'm talking about how there's so many people on the internet don't 490 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:55,720 talk to people in real life i was in a chat room one night it was a voice chat we were just chit 491 00:50:55,720 --> 00:51:01,880 chatting about this and that um the the one of the people in the room was very ideological 492 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:11,300 and was very adamant about uh topic a right couldn't couldn't get past i'm like yeah you're 493 00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:16,560 ideological and things should work like that but they don't in real life like i was like when when 494 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:24,440 was the last time you hung out with somebody who made under 15 an hour and they were something to 495 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,520 do with you know people should be able to do this this is this i was like yeah those people struggle 496 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:36,180 and you start to get built up in a certain way but then anyway i went on a whole thing about how 497 00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:40,880 many people do you talk to in real life about these things and he's like well no not really anybody i 498 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,920 don't really talk to too many people in real life i'm like well get out there and talk to real 499 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:49,980 people because when you talk on the internet you can sit behind your your screen name you know if 500 00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:53,720 it's your real name but you know that that person's 2 000 miles away and they're not going to go to your 501 00:51:53,720 --> 00:52:03,060 house wait when if we could sit down and talk to people instead of just being like i know i've got my 502 00:52:03,060 --> 00:52:08,460 my followers backing me up so anything i say i'm going to get at least this many likes and that's what 503 00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:13,400 matters is how many likes you get on what you said versus what the other person said um whereas if you sit 504 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,760 down and talk to somebody even if somebody who vehemently disagrees with you on one or two things 505 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,580 you're going to find something in common you're going to be able to put things in a better way 506 00:52:21,580 --> 00:52:26,840 looking into somebody's eyes you can tell whether they're sincere or not um but that's just it just 507 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:32,380 doesn't really happen anymore there's not coffee shops where people you sit and talk to just random 508 00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:37,100 people about random things anymore there aren't any real third spaces are you familiar with that 509 00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:42,380 uh yeah yeah not home not work it's a third space like coffee shops 510 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:51,380 yeah so yes 4chan did get shut down yeah i was looking okay so just recently uh this website 511 00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:57,600 called 4chan don't look it up i don't recommend it very very terrible worse than reddit but man there 512 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:03,740 has been some funny stuff come off there's also been some very disturbing stuff but cool stories oh my 513 00:53:03,740 --> 00:53:08,520 gosh if you want to watch some youtube videos about it i recommend that that's really cool the one where 514 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:16,120 shia labeouf was trying to hide a flag was that was an amazing story look that up there's been some 515 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,880 there's been some stuff coming off of 4chan but it recently got hacked which i thought was really 516 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,820 funny and then it got shut down for two weeks and now it's back i'm very mad about that is 517 00:53:25,820 --> 00:53:30,640 no we won't talk about that it's what yeah to me it's just like you just don't go there 518 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,260 yeah just don't just don't go there let them let them be their own little cesspool of whatever they 519 00:53:35,260 --> 00:53:41,220 are yeah and uh like reddit at least can be okay sometimes like there's certain there's some subreddits 520 00:53:41,220 --> 00:53:50,720 that are okay reddit is good for one thing and it's tech support which i gotta say the ais are getting 521 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:56,720 they're my go-to now if i need to like i'm still kind of learning linux i'm still not 100 on it of 522 00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:04,760 course and um reddit is also really good at math problems well the the trick on reddit and most 523 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:12,460 internet forums if you cora no oh my god it's terrible cora sucks i'm gonna send that to your nana no 524 00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:23,020 um her name's cora so um if if you go on these sites let's say i need to know how these um logitech 525 00:54:23,020 --> 00:54:31,940 speakers you know work right i'm like hey uh if i need to re-solder a usb cable on this this set of 526 00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:37,640 speakers do i use this or this and then you immediately get on a different account and give 527 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:43,020 the wrong answer that you know is wrong oh my gosh you will get 20 responses with the correct 528 00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:49,040 how to do it because there's they don't really particularly care about helping somebody what 529 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:55,060 they care about is making you feel stupid yeah so you have to you have to do things in such a way 530 00:54:55,060 --> 00:55:05,540 that you invite them to make you feel dumb in air quotes um yeah what's i gonna say oh i find it 531 00:55:05,540 --> 00:55:10,220 really funny that ai was trying to train itself off of reddit and now when you look something up and it 532 00:55:10,220 --> 00:55:13,640 gives you like one of those top of the thing answers it says this answer was provided by our reddit 533 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:18,900 post like it has to have that disclaimer there it has to have the disclaimer saying it's from reddit 534 00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:23,680 well yeah because people were saying a bunch of stuff well i know you must eat one rock a day 535 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:30,780 just when you when you um get on grok it actually gives you at the top of the response it'll give 536 00:55:30,780 --> 00:55:35,520 you any websites that it used for that information yeah it does that on the google ones any posts i think 537 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,840 that's a good way to do it yeah that way you can actually dig into stuff you're like that doesn't 538 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,600 quite seem right you know what i'm mad about what are you mad about you don't really guess my goat 539 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:50,480 what really gets your goat on the school computers they have the little ai pop-up box that comes at 540 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:58,540 the top blocked and i'm mad about because they have certain plugins blocked on the school computers 541 00:55:58,540 --> 00:56:03,960 and certain websites like you can't use reddit at school i find that so funny well reddit's full of 542 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:09,680 like i know yeah terrible but i there's just certain websites that they don't let you use which good 543 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:15,520 but man why do you have to block the little ai thing i'm just looking up how to pronounce a word 544 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,600 in class and i gotta go to three different websites to find something that's not blocked by the school 545 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:25,120 i could set it up so you could you could go to like well yeah i also could just bring in my laptop to 546 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,220 school oh i guess yeah i guess that's true it's not recommended because they can't watch what you're 547 00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:35,520 doing on it but yeah just put a vpn on i don't want that thing on their network without a vpn true um 548 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,240 yeah so i think i think we've said most of what we're going to want to say about what did you call 549 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:45,960 it uh call out culture call out culture and i call it cancel culture because i'm an old man 550 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,940 i don't know these fancy new terms this is an older term for it 551 00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:58,920 i've never heard it really oh my gosh oh my gosh it's it's older than than cancel culture 552 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:04,260 that's really funny okay are you putting call out culture as a possible future episode 553 00:57:04,260 --> 00:57:08,600 no that's this episode oh okay if you want to call it that i don't really care what you name it 554 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,280 you're the one that names it so you got the choice on that right so yeah if y'all have a topic for us 555 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:18,120 something you'd like to pick our brains about um we'll either do it or we won't yeah you can give 556 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:23,520 we can also give advice if you need some life advice yes we will give you advice as long as you sign a 557 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:30,440 waiver saying that uh you're not legally um holding us liable if you do the advice and then something 558 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:40,640 bad happens i'm not a therapist anymore um oh my god so is that illegal what do you mean you like 559 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,840 pretending to be a therapist or a doctor when you're not is illegal 560 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:54,560 uh yeah saying i used to be a therapist illegal i know yeah no i'm gonna have to the context i'm 561 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:59,440 gonna have to dig into that because that'd be interesting because impersonating a police officer 562 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:07,180 is legal yeah but is impersonating a former police officer illegal i don't know there's a podcast it's 563 00:58:07,180 --> 00:58:13,380 like the therapy gecko i'm pretty sure it's this guy it dresses up in like a like a lizard oh yeah 564 00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:20,360 yeah i've seen his videos is it a podcast though i think it is i think he's on he might just be on 565 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,740 spotify yeah it doesn't mean it's a podcast it doesn't have an rss feed it's not a podcast although 566 00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:33,240 that is a different topic altogether um nomenclature yeah because a lot of people just nowadays 567 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:40,820 anything where people are just talking is a podcast like any kind of show where it's like a talk show 568 00:58:40,820 --> 00:58:46,180 yeah two or more or even even one one yeah yeah where someone's talking about something yeah like 569 00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:52,840 uh what windigoon yeah windigoons most of his shows could be an audio podcast man i need to start 570 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,920 watching more of his content he's so he's got a lot of good stuff out there yeah all right everybody i 571 00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:02,160 think we're gonna oh yeah there's that that's the one oh a little hot all right coming in hot 572 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:08,480 on the uh outro music we appreciate everybody stopping by let us know what you think should 573 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:15,820 we be canceled should we do an apology how can you cancel us um it would be so extremely tough 574 00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:22,220 because we're not on people's platforms we're on our own so well we don't have kyle yet no no i got 575 00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:26,140 to get in touch with them see if we can get them to do us an outro i guess you'll never have an 576 00:59:26,140 --> 00:59:31,440 outro for this episode not for this one all right everybody y'all have a fantastic day i just wanted to be 577 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:38,040 swyling after that that'd be so i guess i'll never have an outro all right see y'all next week 578 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,140 hopefully bye